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[Bucksiron]

Of course, when Sir Keir’s PM there won’t be any homeless people.

Just how ridiculous can you get. It’s all so easy for the left. Just blame the Tories for everything. Or just blame Brexit. It’s about the only thing you lot seem capable of doing.

If the left were as good at solving problems as they are at criticising others for them, fine, but they’re not. In fact Labour’s just as useless as the Tories, as I’ve no doubt we’ll be discovering.

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billpuntonsghost

[Heath]

Cheer up you miserable……..

[Deereyme66]

‘Of course, when Sir Keir’s PM there won’t be any homeless people.Just how ridiculous can you get.’

Not as ridiculous about missing the point of the OP, which was about Sunak’s ridiculous comment to a homeless person. Simple as that. Plus, no one has ever said there won’t be any homeless people if Labour were governing, I’ll wager the number of homeless will go down though.

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TwoWrights

[Northumbiron]

Fansy posts up a joke and Bucks goes off on one!

Bet New Year’s Eve is a hoot in his house.

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Gurnelista, TwoWrights, Iron-awe

[Siderite]

Bucksiron wrote:

Of course, when Sir Keir’s PM there won’t be any homeless people.

Just how ridiculous can you get. It’s all so easy for the left. Just blame the Tories for everything. Or just blame Brexit. It’s about the only thing you lot seem capable of doing.

If the left were as good at solving problems as they are at criticising others for them, fine, but they’re not. In fact Labour’s just as useless as the Tories, as I’ve no doubt we’ll be discovering.

Whereas all you sem capable of doing is make out the Tories and Brexit are at fault for nothing when someone else criticises them.

12 years of Tory rule and we are supposed to believe that the Tories have nothing to do with homelessness under their watch. In fact suggesting so is preposterous and blam8ng them for anything.

And, no, I am not saying homelessness would be eradicated under any other party. However, it is demonstrably worse now than under the last Labour government (but I am sure it’s someone else’s fault – it always is). Somehow, despite being just as useless, Labour didn’t seem to cause such a homelessness issue.

Oh, and you missed the point of the OP.

[Pat O’Cake]

Bucksiron wrote:

Just blame the Tories for everything.

Who do you suggest we blame?

[Deereyme66]

Currently it’s Mick Lynch, supposedly feckless workers and anyone on big pensions.

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“and then I asked A dosser if he was in business”

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Gurnelista, Deereyme66

[Bucksiron]

Ah yes, a joke. Hilarious. Just how crass can you get.

Siderite, I’ve said many times that the Tories are to blame for lots of things and I’ve also accepted that Brexit has caused problems, to you as well as others, so please don’t make claims that are not true.

Homelessness is and always will be a major problem and for all sorts of reasons. It’s far more complex than “just getting people off the streets”, with many homeless people — especially ex-military — simply unable to cope with modern living.

You might choose to read this piece from ‘The Guardian’, which no doubt you’ll also treat as a ‘joke’. There are lots of people whose businesses are facing huge problems at the moment and many, I’m afraid, will end up bankrupt and probably even on the streets. Of course the Tories aren’t blameless but neither are the likes of Mick Lynch whose union has played a big part in depriving small businesses of customers at the very time they most need them, i.e. Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/27/critics-mocked-rishi-sunak-homeless-man-business

[Deereyme66]

‘Ah yes, a joke. Hilarious. Just how crass can you get.’

Satire, and pretty good in the first and later case. IMO.

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TwoWrights

[Deereyme66]

‘Of course the Tories aren’t blameless but neither are the likes of Mick Lynch whose union has played a big part in depriving small businesses of customers at the very time they most need them, i.e. Christmas.’

The government need to do more to find the funds better meet the workers reasonable demands. It can do more, but wait where’s that magic money tree gone?! Mysteriously it’s vanished again. It’s not the unions that have deprived small businesses, it’s the government refusing to be reasonable that’s having a knock on effect.

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Heath

[Siderite]

Bucksiron wrote:

Siderite, I’ve said many times that the Tories are to blame for lots of things and I’ve also accepted that Brexit has caused problems, to you as well as others, so please don’t make claims that are not true.

Well, maybe don’t have a go at other for daring to criticise the Tories then? You became irate at what was a joke, but what you thought of as critique, aimed at the Tories and homelessness. If you’re going to repeatedly get irritated at people for doing such it’s going to leave the impression you don’t like it when people criticise the Tories and it doesn’t suit your narrative.

I am making no statement on who ends up homeless or how easy it is, but he fact is that it was the Tories who brought in no fault evictions, rough sleeping has increased by 169% since 2010 and this is on the Tories’ watch.

Does this mean I think Labour are perfect? Of course not. They didn’t exactly get rid of no fault evictions last time. However, Labour’s inadequacies are not an excuse for the Tories’ own inadequacies and worsening of the situation. Changes in the laws on affordable rent, freezing of benefits etc seen under the Tories has led to more and more homeless. It would be foolish to think Labour couldn’t make mistakes or would magically do everything perfectly, but saying they would not do any better gives a crucial detail away. It shows that there is no defence for actual Tory handlings of homelessness if all you have is this. Moreover, it shows that it’s not preposterous to criticise the Tories for this issue.

The constant deflection to Labour may seem like a handy debating tactic, but all it does is show the vacuity of the defence.

[Northumbiron]

It’s a JOKE FFS!

A piece of satire aimed at Mr Sunak showing how out of touch he is with reality.

The only unfunny thing about it is he’s the Prime Minister!

We all knew that Bojo lived in a parallel universe but perhaps naively expected better from Sunak.

The only conclusion is that the whole Tory Party are living in cloud cuckoo land!

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TwoWrights, Heath

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘Ah yes, a joke. Hilarious. Just how crass can you get.’

Satire, and pretty good in the first and later case. IMO.

I hope Bucks doesn’t watch the TV. There are plenty of shows which have poked fun at politicians since time immemorial.

I’d say that poking fun at politicians is something we should be proud of, whether we find the joke on point or funny or not. Rather that than cultures which cannot poke fun at authority and tend to be controlling in nature.

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TwoWrights, Heath, Northumbiron

[Heath]

“Of course the Tories aren’t blameless but neither are the likes of Mick Lynch whose union has played a big part in depriving small businesses of customers at the very time they most need them, i.e. Christmas”.

Trigger happy to blame the unions for depriving small businesses of customers, but in complete denial over Brexit depriving small businesses of European customers.

I’ll tell you what is a joke. Johnson being paid £260k for a 40 minute speech and having his US accommodation and travel expenses paid for by Rupert Murdoch.

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