What a great result.

[billpuntonsghost]

Hopefully Donald Trump can steer the world away from the destructive Marxist ideology that has led to so much chaos and misery.

[Northumbiron]

Shows that the American people have nothing to fear from zombies.

[Deereyme66]

Not biting bpg. See ya!

[Iron-awe]

Well it’s their choice but the Americans seem to have a strange affinity with old white men with cognitive issues leading their country, good luck USA, particularly the American women.

[Iron Age]

Americans also have a strange affinity with crooks.
Billy the Kid.
John Dillinger.
Bonnie and Clyde.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Donald Trump.
All felons.

[Iron-awe]

Iron Age wrote:

Americans also have a strange affinity with crooks.
Billy the Kid.
John Dillinger.
Bonnie and Clyde.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Donald Trump.
All felons.

Yep they also murder thousands of their own innocent countrymen/ women every year with guns they legally own, strange place really.

[Northumbiron]

Not to mention the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous peoples.

[Just Iron]

IA wrote ‘Good luck USA, especially American women.’
I wonder IA … and I intended to stay off because I know how strongly you and others feel about Trump .. I wonder if you’d be open to having a bit of reflection on some data. The stats show that Trump won a decisive election victory wherein 54% of the electorate were women. Some of his biggest shifts were amongst Latino and even African American women. A recent Democratic presidential candidate ..Tulsi Gabbard .. is strong minded and articulate .. and joined the Trump campaign. There is no gloating here ..but clearly something is going on that indicates that you may not be seeing things straight.

[Iron-awe]

Well we all know the accuracy of data JI, wasn’t it going to be a close contest?, nuff said.

[Siderite]

It was the economy (specifically inflation) that did it. With things like immigration and crime as secondary (but not unimportant) factors. Abortion restrictions are not popular, and in places like North Carolina Dems did better outside of the presidential race. Suggests to me is that voters took a vote beyond just one policy and were bothered about grocery prices and punished Biden for it, even if I disagree with them. That’s the way it is. Similar to 92 when Bush Sr led a recovered economy, but was punished.

Not a fan of Ms Gabbard and her apologia for awful people like Assad and ‘blow in the wind’ policy positions.

[Iron-awe]

Be interesting to see if Trump’s health and mental fitness last the full four year term, he’s 78 now and the majority of his election rallies were just a mass of incoherent ramblings. The Republican’s rightly pointed out Bidens deteriorating mental decline but never mention Trump’s cognitive failings from his last term in office, I mean it is quite noticeable even to the casual observer.

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[Just Iron]

I’m definitely not a casual observer IA … and I’ve not seen cognitive failings. What I’ve seen is a 78 year old bloke who can hold an audience for lengthy periods , often with no teleprompter, and go into lengthy interviews relaxed and consistent to his position. His ego led to him being somewhat hijacked in the Harris debate ..but I don’t see cognitive decline. We’ll see.
I wasn’t saying I liked Tulsi Gabbard, Sidey .. just that she seems a strong and capable woman who, whatever we might find disagreeable in some of her views, has crossed parties and endorsed Trump. That kind of example .. and the hard data of voting trends among women (which is nothing to do with predictions IA. Polls are speculative ..votes are facts) show that the Dems blew it regarding women’s likely election choices.

[Siderite]

I think Republicans are being as blinkered as many Democrats were (including myself) if they can’t see that Trump is not cognitively all there. It’s often stuff like this below or him wandering around like a confused old man when the teleprompter goes and half of his rally goers seemed bored.

https://x.com/ZPoet/status/1853440982911750155/photo/1
https://x.com/chyeaok/status/1844435087624110501/video/1

[Just Iron]

I can’t see that Trump is not cognitively all there.. although I’m not a Republican. The first example is a transcript which misses context and other communication markers. I actually saw that speech and just see it as evidence of his high opinion of his talents, his showmanship and his non political, loose and relaxed style. The second one … what do you expect? He comes out to a patriotic build up song and he is expected to talk over it or cut it off? If people like Musk, Rogan, Peterson, Vivek and Vance haven’t spotted the decline then I’m guessing it s probably not there … unless you desperately want it to be.

[Iron-awe]

Now who’s got blinkers on JI?, time will tell but his age, health, poor diet, being obese and cognitive decline is there for any reasonable minded person to see.

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[Siderite]

It’s not the only one where he bobs and does nothing and as for the first? Hmmmm, it’s clearly waffling word salad, often slowly said (a lot more than previously) and I am a bit baffled what makes people with clear biases some sort of oracle on it.

It’s not a case of ‘desperately wanting to be’, but it’s being picked on by many. I guess they’re all biased. Like I said, Dems dismissed concerns about Biden to their peril, and Republicans and their supporters seem to be doing now with obvious slowing and illegible waffle.

[Iron-awe]

…as for the famous names mentioned not seeing the decline, you don’t know that and they wouldn’t say anything anyway, the narcissist wouldn’t wear that. You can’t control a person in power , I’m thinking Musk here, by showing him up in public, if Musk gets a top job he will control Trump without Trump even knowing it, Musk is super intelligent, Trump isn’t on his intellectual level.

[Siderite]

Another case, and this is not the only circumstance. Not saying dementia or anything, but the same struggles we got with Biden towards the end. Which is to be expected, he is old.

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1846364035073110405

These are just 2 examples. A lot of his talk is just nonsensical rambles now.

[Just Iron]

OK.

[Siderite]

Agree to disagree. Not meaning to be snide. Just saying that Biden fans used to say anyone claiming Biden’s mental faculties had decreased were biased (and they weren’t wrong, there was bias), but their claims weren’t without merit. I think the opposite side should take note given the nature of Trump right now, even if most saying it are not his fans.

[Just Iron]

I believe he’s elderly. His age is the give away.I’m sure he’s less than he was in many ways. I just don’t see a pathology in the same way that we could see in Biden. The guy went from rally to rally, interview to interview and courthouse to courthouse for month after month. The clip above is 32 days out …did you see a ‘youthful Kamala’ on the very same day when her teleprompter crashed? Was she also compromised in her ‘mental faculties’I wonder? Trump’s style is conversational and spontaneous to the point of eccentricity but that shouldn’t be conflated with cognitive impairment. It’s hard not to think this narrative is providing some ‘clutched straw’ consolation to many who find the election result challenging. Then again ..because I can’t see it .. I myself am not included in IAs ranks of ‘reasonably minded people.’ There are many questions hanging over the future President’s term of office. A rapid decline in effectiveness has to be possible at his age and we’ll see how it goes. For me this campaign has been remarkable and I just don’t share your concern ( if that’s the right word) that cognitive decline is already in evidence.

[Siderite]

I think it was evident before the rallies tbh and have discussed it with friends for the last few years. Like I say, you could be reaching for the dismissals of others, just as Dems did. It’s not just those who disagree with you who have bias, whereas the ‘reasonably minded’ exist on your side alone.

[Siderite]

And, like I say, I am not arguing dementia, but he is old, as was Biden. Both were unfit and slowing down, noticeably, outside of the partisan. Including for Biden and his supporters.

Has been argued on here, as TwoWrights did in July. It’s not some sudden ‘cope’. I will be the first to admit that the Dems need to do some soul searching in their attempts to reconnect (e.g. on crime in cities), but I am not going to refrain from criticising Trump or pointing out issues.

After all, I am not crying ‘rigged’ like many did last time and plenty spoke of Biden’s mental faculties and were presumably not doing so for finding the result challenging.

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