March 2, 2021 at 12:50 pm #202940
The only reason I don’t comment is because I have better things to do with my time.
As for the comments above, what exactly do you expect from anything run by politicians? They’re all useless regardless of the political party they represent.
As for the private vs public sector there are useless businesses people just as much as there are useless politicians. There are also corrupt people in business and corrupt people in the public sector.
None of that alters the fact that the public sector is unaccountable while businesses are accountable. This means that if a business is badly run it will fail whereas the public sector does not. It also means that when a business fails it’s shareholders who carry the cost whereas in the public sector it’s the taxpayers who carry the cost.
Obviously this is a gross over simplification but in the broadest terms these are the basic facts. Regarding the vaccination programme its success is a great example of public and private sector organisations and people working together, much of which is down to the leadership of Kate Bingham.
Of course the NHS has played a great part but so, too, has the private sector. The main reasons it’s been so successful is that it’s removed the culture and bureaucracy of the public sector, which is typically risk-averse and very much about “cover my arse” rather than “how do we get this done”.
Using success of the vaccination roll-out as validation of the public sector is ridiculous. What it does reveal is just what can be achieved when everyone pulls in the same direction, politics is put to one side and failure isn’t really an option. Pretty much the exact opposite of what you’ll find in many if not most public sector projects. Of course you’ll also find this in many business but, as I’ve said, the difference is that they will ultimately fail.
The sad thing is that when a business does fail, all too often it’s the employees who lose out. I’ve closed business down but can say with 100% honesty that I’ve never left a supplier unpaid or an employee without a good alternative job to go to.March 2, 2021 at 1:20 pm #202944
‘None of that alters the fact that the public sector is unaccountable while businesses are accountable. This means that if a business is badly run it will fail whereas the public sector does not. It also means that when a business fails it’s shareholders who carry the cost whereas in the public sector it’s the taxpayers who carry the cost.’
It’s not only a gross oversimplification, it’s wrong on numerous levels. The PS is accountable. When a business fails shareholders carry the cost but the consumer/ public suffer as a result and often pay for it at the point of purchase.
‘much of which is down to the leadership of Kate Bingham.’
I nearly fell off my chair laughing! No it isn’t! It’s down to the NHS and volunteers working well together. Kate Bingham my a***!! You’ll be telling us next she’s the perfect example of why chumocracy and nepotism is the way forward.March 2, 2021 at 1:25 pm #202946
If politicians are so ‘useless’ Bucks, what makes their spouses and relatives any better? Answer: it doesn’t. Don’t try and justify cronyism. It’s embarrassing.March 2, 2021 at 1:26 pm #202947
Right, must get on, I too have better things to do, and I’m incredibly busy….March 2, 2021 at 1:56 pm #202948
Of course you nearly fell off your chair, Deerey, because you have zero understanding of what makes things like this work. I doubt you could manage your way out of a paper bag given your understanding, or lack of it, and total naivety.
I’m not interested in even attempting to convince you of this. You’ll never understand, first, because you’re only interested in pushing your own agenda; and, second, because you’re incredibly ignorant of what makes an organisation and a project tick.
So laugh as much as you like. It doesn’t change the reality. I can tell you with 100% certainty that had someone been in charge without Kate Bingham’s drive and leadership the vaccination programme would have very likely come unstuck, with or without the NHS and volunteers; and, btw, yes, they are fantastic but they’re not the ones solving the big problems and driving the project through.
As for your comment about politicians’ spouses and relatives, what on earth does that have to do with anything; and obviously it helps to throw money at a problem. It’s creating the wealth to cover the money that needs to be spent that is the issue, not spending it. That is the easy part.March 2, 2021 at 2:24 pm #202951BloodyRubbishIronParticipantOffline
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Yes, Bucks, it is absolutely ridiculous to state that the public sector has had a role in the success when it has.
I am not saying that the private sector hasn’t played a role; it clearly has with the Pfizer vaccines, for example, and I am opposed to blanket nationalisation of pharmaceuticals.
The reality is that there are positives and negatives for both state and private enterprise and working together. Unfortunately, the ‘small state’ yapping libertarians make out that anything public cannot work, just as democratic socialists demonise the private sector as being unworkable. The failures of test and trace, which was not NHS driven, and the clusterfuck of the lack of governmental intervention, shows the absolute failure of libertarian ideology. Unfortunately for the dogmatists, it isn’t so simple as “big state bad, small state good” and vice versa. A libertarian idea of paradise would look rather bleak, as it always ends up doing whenever its implemented.
Of course pure socialism is a disaster too. However, there must be an in between from the tedious cries of the anti-capitalists and libertarians decrying any kind of state intervention as inherently flawed.March 2, 2021 at 2:35 pm #202952
None of that alters the fact that the public sector is unaccountable while businesses are accountable.
Ofsted, Ofqual, Ofcom, Ofgen, Ofwat, Regulator of Social Housing, IPCC, CAA, ORR…..
If anything the public sector is more accountable.
As for your comment about politicians’ spouses and relatives, what on earth does that have to do with anything; and obviously it helps to throw money at a problem. It’s creating the wealth to cover the money that needs to be spent that is the issue, not spending it
The above tells you all you need to know!March 2, 2021 at 3:55 pm #202957
You have no idea what I do for a living and what level I work at Bucks. I’ll tell you this for nothing though, you may be surprised. Not that I’m about to reveal my identity. Scunny is a very small town and, as demonstrated recently, the internet is teeming with trolls and weirdos. That said, I don’t feel the need to publish my CV on here either. Tbh, I find the tone of your post extremely patronising, condescending and downright rude, but nothing new there I suppose.
‘As for your comment about politicians’ spouses and relatives, what on earth does that have to do with anything’
On earth, it is about the number of relatives, friends and associates of Tory Party politicians or donors who have secured contracts, or, as in Bingham’s and Harding’s case, prominent positions. It’s called ‘cronyism’ and I’m surprised it’s bypassed you. Yes, Harding and Bingham’s roles were non paid, but only a fool would believe there isn’t recompense involved somewhere. I suppose no one should be surprised a PR bod would be applauding Bingham given the eyewatering amount of money she spaffed on freelance PR execs.March 2, 2021 at 4:06 pm #202958
I have to say, I find incredible that the same person that thought the crank conspiracy theorist ‘Phin’ was talking sense can be so dismissive of anyone else’s capabilities. The mind truly boggles.March 2, 2021 at 9:00 pm #202972TwoWrightsParticipantOffline
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Well live and learn, cockwomble would have us believe politicians are a different species from everyone else. Homo politico, each and everyone of them inbred to be useless. No it’s or buts, he who knows all has spoken.March 2, 2021 at 11:29 pm #202997
But still not one criticism of a single Tory MP or minister, or any response to the gross corruption and waste of public money. Plenty of uneducated and clueless shit about the public sector though.
Patronising, condescending and rude, yes. Can also add ignorant, blinkered and complete tosspot!!March 3, 2021 at 2:27 pm #203031
I couldn’t care less what your CV looks like, Deerey, but whatever you do or have done, your comment reveals total ignorance about the need for and importance of leadership. Concerning relatives and ‘cronyism’, since when was this limited to the Tories? It happens across all political parties, which doesn’t make it right but certainly makes it nonsensical to single out this government for doing it. “Jobs for the boys” goes on all over the place and across all political parties and interests.
As for being patronising, condescending and rude, the words pot, kettle and black come to mind — and the same with Heath and your other ‘mates’ on here who are in absolutely no position to be lecturing other people; and your mind can boggle as much as it likes, Deerey. What you clearly cannot accept or fail to understand is that many very brilliant people have all sorts of crank conspiracy theories. In fact they’re renowned for them.
Then we have this idea that the public sector is accountable because of Ofthis, Ofthat and Ofwhatever. What a complete farce. If a business fails it fails and shareholders take the hit, but in the public sector people keep their jobs or get massive handouts from PUBLIC money; and that’s IF failure is even recognised, which in the public sector is hardly ever the case.
BRI, I wasn’t saying that the public sector hasn’t had a role in the vaccination success. What I was saying is that its success has been down to removing the many obstacles that typically prevent the public sector from operating quickly or efficiently; and anyone who understands anything about how organisations work will tell you that.
TW, believe what you like, but politicians — and certainly the majority of ‘successful’ ones — are very different from “the rest of us”. It isn’t difficult to understand why.
Heath, I don’t know what part of “all politicians are useless” you fail to understand. The Tories are every bit as bad as any other politicians, in any way you might care to mention.March 3, 2021 at 2:47 pm #203033Iron-aweParticipantOffline
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All this guff from the guy ” who has better things to do with his time “, couldn’t make it up really but apparently Buck’s can. Pathetic and hilarious at the same time, nice one PR guru.March 3, 2021 at 2:58 pm #203034BloodyRubbishIronParticipantOffline
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While it’s true that many brilliant people have out there ideas, it doesn’t make them brilliant when they’re spouting their crank nonsense, as Phin did on here.
Her nonsense was as laughable and stupid as Piers Corbyn or David Icke’s nonsense. And I give short shrift to anyone spouting such drivel, because such conspiracies cost lives and they all too often lead to a hatred of the other, particularly Jews, as we see with both Piers Corbyn and Icke.March 3, 2021 at 3:22 pm #203036
What a complete farce. If a business fails it fails and shareholders take the hit, but in the public sector people keep their jobs or get massive handouts from PUBLIC money
Like to post up some evidence of that from reliable sources?
Or does your deep hatred of Public Sector Workers prevent you from doing so?March 3, 2021 at 5:42 pm #203045
‘What you clearly cannot accept or fail to understand is that many very brilliant people have all sorts of crank conspiracy theories. In fact they’re renowned for them.’
In fact, name some please. Then perhaps we can sort out their crackiness from the brilliance. Or, in Phin’s case, just the former.March 3, 2021 at 5:49 pm #203047
This thing about my CV Bucks. I only mentioned it because you said that I couldn’t organise my way out a paper bag (odd turn of phrase btw) despite you not knowing a single thing about my occupation, work experience and level I work at. Then, again, it appears to be how you reach a lot of your conclusions; prejudice not fact. Oh, last thing, don’t mistake opinion for ‘lecture’. They’re two different things.March 3, 2021 at 6:38 pm #203051
“Heath, I don’t know what part of “all politicians are useless” you fail to understand. The Tories are every bit as bad as any other politicians, in any way you might care to mention”.
No problem understanding that you write a load of shit!!!! Never read a specific criticism from you on any Tory MP, always “they are all bad” crap, which is also not correct.March 11, 2021 at 8:35 pm #203386March 18, 2021 at 1:44 pm #203635
‘The rest of the session was just clickbait. No, he hadn’t bothered to listen to the budget. He had far better things to do with his time.’
Hmm, reminds me of someone 🤔🤣April 6, 2021 at 12:16 pm #204211
The conman Johnson is using the Covid briefing as a party political broadcast pedalling lies that have already been shown to be lies. The Prime Minister of this country is allowed to lie with no consequences:April 19, 2021 at 9:35 am #204977
A corrupt Government supporting a leader who has made a living out of telling lies.April 19, 2021 at 12:35 pm #204987Big JParticipantOffline
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Well, well, well, leftards! It turns out the ‘corruption’ story is nothing more than a witch hunt by the deep state who cannot hack that their bloated, undemocratic civil service is being put to task by the Tories:
It just goes to show the level of hate the forum 6 have against democracy and this country. They will support the deep state plot to subvert our democracy to bring in woke Marxism!April 19, 2021 at 12:57 pm #204988GurnelistaParticipantOffline
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This is a piece of space-filling ‘journalism’ from Daily Mail gossip-monger Phil Space, aka Dan Hodges.
Let’s have some facts – Cameron’s been caught red handed, attempting to trouser the kind of sums which would set up for life many of the modest earners of North Lincs.
Only an enemy of democracy and free speech would seek to excuse this, just the way they do in North Korea, or any number of African dictatorships.
The only surprise is that a few Tory press are giving him a hard time, because he was anti-Brexit.April 19, 2021 at 1:12 pm #204990
I must have missed the announcement that telling lies, being corrupt and committing fraud against the tax payers of this country is a sign of your patriotism and democracy.April 19, 2021 at 1:45 pm #204991
‘Well, well, well’ my a***! What’s more appealing to you Big J; the 6th form journalism or cartoon characters? Is this what you graduated to after your other half said you were too old to be reading The Beano still?April 19, 2021 at 2:52 pm #205001Iron-aweParticipantOffline
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If you wonder why your bulldog keeps coughing Big Joke it’s because you keep feeding him cigars, dumbarse. 😜April 19, 2021 at 8:33 pm #205028
Is this what you graduated to after your other half said you were too old to be reading The Beano?
If it’s from the Daily Mail he/she still is!
However, we know that BJ is a bot, not a real person.April 21, 2021 at 11:10 am #205147
It just goes to show the level of hate the forum 6 have against democracy and this country
After all of the hoo-ha in the football world this week can I suggest that we be henceforth known as the “Big Six”.
Or perhaps the “Iron Bru Super League”.April 21, 2021 at 12:21 pm #205157
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