U-turns

[Northumbiron]

Looks like someone has bowled a big old ball down the Parliamentary skittle alley today.

They’re falling like ninepins!

[Iron-awe]

Could the fracking vote tonight be the final nail?

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Whip resigned now

[Gurnelista]

Bucksiron wrote:

Net zero is driving poverty.

No, it’s the Tories driving and DELIVERING poverty! It’s a deliveroo government, according to Truss!

You haven’t learnt a thing have you BI, since about 1983? You’ll look through this and other threads before again denying global warming, trying but failing to argue why it should be ignored, and demonstrating a wilful ignorance of the current crisis, chaos and failure of government.

Nothing is going well precisely because this is the kind of attitude which has prevailed among the blue lot for the last 12 years. A belief, simply a belief, that free markets can solve all the problems, and a feeling among MP’s that they are entitled to do whatever they like, and sod the rest. And look today, yet another one has been up to something she shouldn’t and leaves in disgrace.

But there’s another aspect to the decline of the blue lot. It’s this. That to be a Tory you just have to hate people. The woke, trade unions, unelected bureaucrats, cyclists, lazy workers, the poor, teachers, immigrants, Meghan Markle, the tofu-eating Islingtonians… etc. etc. to distract voters from the catastrophe they’ve inflicted on the country.

The other side of being a good Tory is self – excessive, inordinate love of self… you can see it rampant across the party, and of course among a few followers not a million miles from this board.

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Watching it disintegrate tonight on twitter is fascinating Its open warfare in Tory ranks

[Siderite]

I agree that Suella Braverman and the like signal to that kind of divisive mentality among some Tories, but I don’t want to make broad statements about all Tories. It’s perfectly possible to have good intentions, but be mistaken (from the perspective of someone who disagrees).

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Krisnan Guru Murphy lol,summing up Baker

[Deereyme66]

Who? Do you mean Krishnan Guru-Murthy?

[Northumbiron]

Siderite wrote:

I agree that Suella Braverman and the like signal to that kind of divisive mentality among some Tories, but I don’t want to make broad statements about all Tories. It’s perfectly possible to have good intentions, but be mistaken (from the perspective of someone who disagrees).

Here’s one…..

‘This is an absolute disgrace’: Furious Tory MP slams ‘extraordinary’ scenes
‘I think it’s a shambles and a disgrace. I think it is utterly appalling. I’m livid.’

https://apple.news/ACUJGeemyTimcpu-X7N0XOQ

[Gurnelista]

Siderite wrote:

I agree that Suella Braverman and the like signal to that kind of divisive mentality among some Tories, but I don’t want to make broad statements about all Tories. It’s perfectly possible to have good intentions, but be mistaken (from the perspective of someone who disagrees).

Yes you’re right Sid, when I said ‘good Tory’ I had in mind those sat on the party front bench, the ruthlessly ambitious careerists. There are others who appear normal and well balanced, like Helen Wakely, and just maybe Penny Mordaunt, who looks particularly uncomfortable at what she’s currently being asked to do. But these are exceptions in the current administration, that seems to be staffed by sociopaths, narcissists and loonies.

[Bucksiron]

You really are one very sad person, Gurny. You represent the very worst side of the left, which, frankly, has no place in a democratic society.

You have zero understanding of people and your comments reveal a damaged soul. I truly pity you.

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[Iron-awe]

Says the man who backed Truss, give it up Buck’s your posts are becoming more ridiculous by the day.

[Heath]

“You represent the very worst side of the left, which, frankly, has no place in a democratic society”.

Now it’s lock up the socialists or would you include anyone in the so called anti growth coalition?

Backed the wrong horse in Truss, so guess Braverman is the next psycho gal for you!!

[Northumbiron]

Iron-awe wrote:

Says the man who backed Truss, give it up Buck’s your posts are becoming more ridiculous by the day.

And backed Swann too!

Gurney did tell you the Tories were finished. It just took a bit longer than first thought. But it has happened.

Anyone else you want to back? Lord Sauron? Voldemort?

[Bucksiron]

The usual suspects at their very best. Support for an antisemite who thinks nothing of belittling mental health and claiming “That to be a Tory you just have to hate people”. Wow, what very nice people you really are.

The thing is that I have plenty of socialist friends, relatives and even a business colleague; and, yes, they are proper left-wing socialists. I get on with them all really well, which is exactly how it should be; and do know what? Not a single one of them would support the comments made by Gurnelista let alone support them, as you lot do.

This is why your words are like water off a duck’s back, Gurny. You’re exactly the sort of person that Starmer doesn’t want supporting the Labour party for the very reason that you damage its reputation. He’s right, of course, and I really respect him for that even if I don’t agree with his politics.

So, all of you, just carry on as you are. It’s all fine by me.

[Iron-awe]

Same old rhetoric Buck’s, bless you it’s so obvious you are struggling to come to terms with how shite your political favourites are performing and have been for such a long time now. Change will come whether you approve or not.

[Bucksiron]

Good try, IA, but a long way from the truth. Of course change will come, it’s ridiculous to say otherwise and I don’t have a problem with that at all.

Now, I would have had a problem with Corbyn, no question, but even the Labour party knows that going back there would be committing suicide. That’s why I just have to laugh at Gurny and you lot supporting him. As I say, Gurny, please keep it up.

[Heath]

The only person on here talking about Corbyn is you. Same old shit.

[Deereyme66]

No one’s ‘supporting’ anyone around here Bucks. Some pointe are agreed on, others are not, more often ignored. Certainly no press ganging going on like we saw from your lot on the franking vote. Corbyn? You’ve got enough to worry about in your own shambolic Party. Don’t worry about a past Labour leader mate.

[Siderite]

I think I have made my feelings for Corbyn quite clear, and it’s the opposite of support. In fact, I would be willing to bet my feelings are more negative for that anti-Semitic, irascible, Putin apologising crank than Bucks’s.

[Deereyme66]

He’s managed to get 3 replies with ‘Corbyn’ in it, myself included. Dastardly Bucks!!!

[Deereyme66]

Bigger success rate than Liz!!

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Bigger success rate than Liz!!

Bucks for PM!

[Northumbiron]

“The thing is that I have plenty of socialist friends”

Alternatively use Black, Asian, female, gay, transgender, disabled etc friends, as required.

It’s an oft-used technique to attempt to qualify an argument.

We get what you’re about Bucks, you don’t need to qualify it!

[Iron-awe]

Bucksiron wrote:

Good try, IA, but a long way from the truth.

The truth the truth, you cant handle the truth.
One of my favourite lines from Hollywood but quite apt regarding your constant denial of reality Buck’s.

[Deereyme66]

Sunak wasting no time with the U-turns-same old Tories:

“There is no long-term prosperity without action on climate change. There is no energy security without investing in renewables. That is why I will attend Cop27 next week: to deliver on Glasgow’s legacy of building a secure and sustainable future.”

What a dick! Of course he should be going. Should never have weaseled out in the first place. What’s laughable is, we’re constantly told by our resident Tory boy how renewables and the drive to net zero are to blame for high energy costs, the PM looks like he acquiesces but caves in from pressure within his own Party. They haven’t got a scooby what they’re doing from one day to the next. Just when you thought the farce couldn’t get more farcical!

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[Siderite]

The net zero argument is odd given the cost of natural gas, which has always been reliant on Russia, and their politicisation of gas usage started before the invasion of Ukraine. It would have been mitigated if Germany and others didn’t hinder nuclear. The problem is low energy security, with over-reliance on gas.

Given gas use is at highs in many countries, it’s odd to suggest that the cause is relying too much on other sources.

[Iron-awe]

He’s probably only going because Boris is going over there, if they made a fuss over Johnson for turning up it would put little Rishi in the shade, that would never do in these politically “spinning the agenda” driven times. Complete dick as DM stated but are we surprised? just do the right thing in the first place man, your supposed to be in charge FFS.

[Heath]

Extended windfall tax, Braverman, triple lock, universal credit rise, Rwanda etc.

Plenty more u-turns to come from Tory boy.

[Heath]

He also entered reverse on fines for missing NHS appointment.

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