Trust in the Trust

[Rene Artois]

Who owns other clubs?

UNITY
Strength in numbers.

If the fans own the club, the fans control the club and its destiny.

The Trust should have a single goal – to purchase as many shares as possible.

Subscriptions would be the major method to raise funds.

Fundraising projects / schemes / events would add to this.

A lifetime membership for £10 will not ensure that SUFC is here for the entirety of your life.

The only people who care about SUFC are the fans.

The fans need to own the club.

£100 life membership / signing up fee.

Subscriptions – monthly DD
Bronze member = £10 a month
Silver member = £20 a month
Gold member = £40 a month
Platinum member = £100 a month
Rhodium member = subscriber sets their level, starting at £200 a month to whatever they decide upon.

The benifits are the same at whatever level you chose to subscribe at.

The benefit is – that there will be a SUFC in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years time!

IRON LEGION – FOR WE ARE MANY!

[ironingboard]

I’m definitely in favour for some kind of subscription membership like this (for scunny fans, by scunny fans obsv). And this could certainly help tip the financial balance into something more favourable.

However, this only takes you so far. Modern football is an astronomical money pit. Even a millionaire can struggle to achieve success. At the top level you need to be a billionaire (preferably one that doesn’t see the club as a toy).

I think it’s very important to set realistic goals/targets and do everything to live within a clubs means. For some this causes dissapointments.

I’d rather have a stable club than one that overshoots and folds.

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Deereyme66, Cliff Byrne's Right Peg

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ironingboard wrote:

I’d rather have a stable club than one that overshoots and folds.

As I’ve said before, on another thread somewhere lost in time, there’s a case here that can be argued: Everyone involved is currently in the denial stage during the process of accepting we’re playing at our proper level (this division and the one above).

[Harrytheiron]

I don’t think the club has trust in the Trust – otherwise why go for this latest, hastily put together, Chat GPT-generated gimmick.

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Awaywego

[Dragoniron]

I don’t understand why anyone (without nefarious motives) would not be supportive of the trust, and what it wants to achieve.

[CMC]

Harrytheiron wrote:

I don’t think the club has trust in the Trust – otherwise why go for this latest, hastily put together, Chat GPT-generated gimmick.

Because the Trust ask difficult questions?

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Harrytheiron

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Harrytheiron wrote:

I don’t think the club has trust in the Trust – otherwise why go for this latest, hastily put together, Chat GPT-generated gimmick.

Certainly looks like there’s not enough respect been shown, here. Surely the Iron Trust should automatically have a seat at the table (regardless of any other fan-engagement drive by the Club)? The Trust is the only serious fan-led organisation, and also a shareholder – and actively working towards acquiring more. The organisation should have a part to play in how United develops and is owned and run in the future.

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Rene Artois, Awaywego

[Harrytheiron]

It’s an insult to structured, respected, established fan groups and smacks of short-termism. Like a lot of the things we see.

[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

ironingboard wrote:

I’m definitely in favour for some kind of subscription membership like this (for scunny fans, by scunny fans obsv). And this could certainly help tip the financial balance into something more favourable.

However, this only takes you so far. Modern football is an astronomical money pit. Even a millionaire can struggle to achieve success. At the top level you need to be a billionaire (preferably one that doesn’t see the club as a toy).

I think it’s very important to set realistic goals/targets and do everything to live within a clubs means. For some this causes dissapointments.

I’d rather have a stable club than one that overshoots and folds.

In the short term/medium term it’s a model that could work to bridge the deficit gap the club is experiencing; with that you’d have to expect some form of representation within the club though.

It shouldn’t be an expectation of a fan base but there are people out there willing to invest money into the club; the supporter base is currently galvanised like I’ve never seen before as proven last weekend. I feel we just need help focusing that enthusiasm where the club can benefit and people feel comfortable knowing their money isn’t being wasted.

Perhaps something for the nominees for the new fan representation to consider.

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ironingboard

[ironingboard]

Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg wrote:

In the short term/medium term it’s a model that could work to bridge the deficit gap the club is experiencing; with that you’d have to expect some form of representation within the club though.

Yes, I do think something like this could help short/medium term whilst searching for the elusive unicorn of a 5th investor.

I didn’t really think about it in terms of fan representation but it would be appreciated and I think beneficial.

[Awaywego]

Way off the mark Renes suggestion is virtually a carbon copy of Chester and Darlo’s membership scheme but there they own the whole club one member one vote.
Just read Renes post again he’s on about monthly ffs Chesters £2 a month and you become an owner.

But with Renes suggestion the owners can walk away at any time.
Honestly do you really want to give the owners money after what they were intending doing. Or letting them buy another Banjo Beck lol.

[ironingboard]

Awaywego wrote:

Way off the mark Renes suggestion is virtually a carbon copy of Chester and Darlo’s membership scheme but there they own the whole club one member one vote.
Just read Renes post again he’s on about monthly ffs Chesters £2 a month and you become an owner.

But with Renes suggestion the owners can walk away at any time.
Honestly do you really want to give the owners money after what they were intending doing. Or letting them buy another Banjo Beck lol.

As stated above, yes I wouldn’t have a problem with it.

I don’t expect everyone to support it or want to do it, but it’s voluntary. Personal choice.

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Rene Artois

[Rene Artois]

Awaywego wrote:

Way off the mark Renes suggestion is virtually a carbon copy of Chester and Darlo’s membership scheme but there they own the whole club one member one vote.
Just read Renes post again he’s on about monthly ffs Chesters £2 a month and you become an owner.

But with Renes suggestion the owners can walk away at any time.
Honestly do you really want to give the owners money after what they were intending doing. Or letting them buy another Banjo Beck lol.

The subscriptions go to the Trust to purchase shares.

[Rene Artois]

Rene Artois wrote:

Who owns other clubs?

UNITY
Strength in numbers.

If the fans own the club, the fans control the club and its destiny.

The Trust should have a single goal – to purchase as many shares as possible.

The fans need to own the club.

[Awaywego]

I’ll have no problem either cos they won’t get a penny from me.

Ever thought of just purchasing more of the club lottery tickets £10 monthly and save the club all the hassle and the cost of setting up another scheme.
There’s really no need for something else.

[Rene Artois]

Awaywego wrote:

Way off the mark Renes suggestion is virtually a carbon copy of Chester and Darlo’s membership scheme

Is it, I haven’t looked at them

but there they own the whole club one member one vote.

Phoenix club, different starting point to us. But the ultimate goal would be to own the whole club

Just read Renes post again he’s on about monthly ffs.

Chesters £2 a month and you become an owner.
How many members / subscribers / owners do they have?

But with Renes suggestion the owners can walk away at any time.
Honestly do you really want to give the owners money after what they were intending doing. Or letting them buy another Banjo Beck lol.

The subscriptions are used to purchase shares

[Deereyme66]

Aye, awaywego, don’t give the poor CEO even more work to do!

[Rene Artois]

Awaywego wrote:

I’ll have no problem either cos they won’t get a penny from me.

Ever thought of just purchasing more of the club lottery tickets £10 monthly and save the club all the hassle and the cost of setting up another scheme.
There’s really no need for something else.

Some people do a couple of bags of weed a day = £40 (I believe)

Some people do 8 pints a day = £40

Having either habit would cost you £1,200 a month.

A silver subscription to The Trust at a mere £20 is excellent value IMHumbleO.

I’d sign up at silver. I wouldn’t miss that.

[ironingboard]

Awaywego wrote:

I’ll have no problem either cos they won’t get a penny from me.

Ever thought of just purchasing more of the club lottery tickets £10 monthly and save the club all the hassle and the cost of setting up another scheme.
There’s really no need for something else.

The lottery is run by an external organisation. Ad such, they’ll take a slice of any lottery tickets bought.

A Trust/club/fan membership scheme would ideally mean 100% of monies going into the club.

[Deereyme66]

‘Some people do a couple of bags of weed a day = £40 (I believe)
Some people do 8 pints a day = £40’

Lol, if some people are doing that much, I would suggest they find their nearest addiction clinic and seek therapy.

And if they’re representative of our supporter base then they really ought to be one of the fans voice reps.

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Rene Artois

[Rene Artois]

One is a share buying plan the other a plan to plug the £65k a month loss.

SUFC for & owned by the fans (ultimate aim)

Rene Artois wrote:

Who owns other clubs?

UNITY
Strength in numbers.

If the fans own the club, the fans control the club and its destiny.

The Trust should have a single goal – to purchase as many shares as possible.

Subscriptions would be the major method to raise funds.

Fundraising projects / schemes / events would add to this.

A lifetime membership for £10 will not ensure that SUFC is here for the entirety of your life.

The only people who care about SUFC are the fans.

The fans need to own the club.

£100 life membership / signing up fee.

Subscriptions – monthly DD
Bronze member = £10 a month
Silver member = £20 a month
Gold member = £40 a month
Platinum member = £100 a month
Rhodium member = subscriber sets their level, starting at £200 a month to whatever they decide upon.

The benifits are the same at whatever level you chose to subscribe at.

The benefit is – that there will be a SUFC in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years time!

IRON LEGION – FOR WE ARE MANY!

Pair the Iron Legion idea (trust share purchasing) with this:

Is the following too simple?
£65k / 4 = £16.25k a week.

5000 Iron Trust Guardians or Scunthorpe Utd Guardians
£16.25k / 5000 = £3.25 a week subscription.

Add an extra 25p to the weekly subscription and it generates an additional £65k a year.

That £65k could be used to employ 2 Guardians on the board.
One could be a full time Iron Trust administrator at the ground dealing with all subscriptions & queries.
The other could perhaps do the social media side of the operation and free young James up… or even do some scouting. We’ve loads of people connected to the club with an ‘A’ licence who could do it.
Pay them both £30k, a desk / office at GP and each a Guardians place on the board.
The spare £5k would be for teas/coffees & biccies.

£14 a month subscription ensures you continue to have a club to watch each week.

Executive Patrons
We may be struggling to find the multi millionaires who could solve our problems.
However, there are still plenty of very rich people out there.

Could we find 50 Executive Patrons who wouldn’t miss or balk at donating £1k a month?
Instal a new Executive Patrons seating area and put them a ‘package’ together.
Some may even just be happy to donate and have their names up in lights, social media, around the stadium, program etc.

That’d be another £50k a month.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[doris]

Some very good ideas here. Come on the Trust and get the ball rolling.

[cassidystash]

Roberts out – Turnbull in? £?/month extra plus scouting included.

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[Deereyme66]

Thanks for more bed time reading Rene

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Rene Artois, Cliff Byrne's Right Peg

[Rene Artois]

If the club goes under this summer; then the phoenix club has to be owned by the fans.

[Awaywego]

No thanks Rene.

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Awaywego wrote:

No thanks Rene.

You won’t have to join in. You can just sit on the sidelines sniping about being ripped off.

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