Truss in hiding

[Iron-awe]

Four Prime Ministers in six years and perhaps quite telling since the country voted to leave the EU. The disharmony that effected the whole country during those turbulent months has carried on with our politicians, we have become the laughing stock of the world since then.

[Deereyme66]

Yep

[Northumbiron]

And the last two idiots were supposed to be the pick of the bunch.

Whoever follows is going to be the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.

Call a General Election FFS!

[Iron-awe]

They won’t call an election because they put themselves first before the country every time. Funny when they are running for election they make a big point of saying ” we put our trust in the British public ” yet won’t put their trust in them now. Double standards always with this bunch in charge.

[Bucksiron]

Ah yes, of course, just blame everything on Brexit. Yawn. There might be a general election, who knows. The Tories are a bunch of wets so that would just be swapping one lot of wets for another.

As for Sidey’s “whataboutery” — what an absolutely ridiculous word — let’s wait and see. I’d be delighted for Starmer to turn out to be a good PM, but I’m definitely not holding my breath.

[Siderite]

The comments about wets reminds me a lot of Corbynites deriding moderates as Blairites and impure centrists. The Corbynisation of Tory members continues.

Hardly ridiculous. It even has a Wiki article on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism. It is irrelevant finger wagging to deflect from criticism of yourself or a side you support. As for that, I have reservations about Starmer on some things, though I can vote Labour with him (unlike before with Corbyn), but it’s brave to try and claim he’d be anywhere near as bad as this shambles. All he has to do is last greater than 45 days, and he’d be better. He’s been LOTO for much longer, and with greater unity than with Truss (no, this does not mean I am unaware of the idiotic element causing trouble at times, but they are comparatively sparing), so it wouldn’t take much to be less chaotic.

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[Deereyme66]

‘Ah yes, of course, just blame everything on Brexit. Yawn.’

Wake up and read I-A’s post again Bucks. He hasn’t blamed all this on Brexit, merely pointed out how many PMs there’s been since Brexit. I took it as the observation it was. It will certainly stand out in the history books!

[Deereyme66]

There certainly is a lot of ‘wets’ in that Party. Wet, stinking, slimey rotten fish. Akin to bleedin’ codheads!

[Siderite]

Also, I think it’s a comment about how Brexit has fostered a division within the party. May was ousted over it, Cameron resigned because of it. The sections of the party have been divided since and this has led to instability which may not have been so evident without it, for right or wrong. I think the problems are more an indirect effect of Brexit, exacerbating pre-existing fault lines.

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[Heath]

“just blame everything on Brexit”.

Will do. Still waiting for that long list of Brexit benefits from you.

[Gurnelista]

Bucksiron wrote:

Ah yes, of course, just blame everything on Brexit. Yawn.

The ‘yawn’ says it all. You’re badly out of touch BI, like the rest of the party.

But pretending you couldn’t care less is dangerous for the Tories’ future.

It’s precisely the out-of-date attitude of people like yourself towards the environment, towards Europe and towards the economy, that trust and confidence has been eroded among younger voters, who can only remember 12 years of austerity, Brexit lies and nastiness. For this demographic at least, the Conservative brand has been effectively shredded.

The brighter Tories understand this, and post-election if not before, they will be baying for the blood of yourself and other blue gammons whose crass, indifferent selfishness and dislike of everything except themselves will condemn the party to powerlessness for decades.

[Siderite]

You’re assuming that voter inclination among the young doesn’t change there, Gurny. Though, I think complacency and assumptions that enough young will go Tory is a problem for the Tories. In short, it is a problem, but I don’t think we can talk of powerlessness for decades with any kind of certainty.

[Bucksiron]

You may well be right, Gurny, but the young will just have to learn from their own experiences when socialism crashes as it always has and always will.

What you’re failing to understand, because your ideology doesn’t allow you to see beyond the end of your nose, is that the current economic problems are down to crazy energy prices; and the idea that renewables are “cheap” is pie in the sky. Tbh, the last thing Labour really needs right now is an election. Of course Labour would win, there’s little doubt about that, and of course they’d blame the economic problems faced by the country on the Tories. That might get them through a year or so but I can assure you that Starmer’s drive for net zero by 2030 is going to put a trillion pound hole in the deficit, let alone a few billion. I’m sure you won’t agree, which is fine by me.

What the left can’t accept is that you have to generate wealth to pay for health, education, defence and everything else needed by modern society; and without the people to create that wealth in the first place your workers aren’t going to have work and the state isn’t going to have the money it needs to do what it needs to do.

Truss could see this but there’s no question she screwed up while the party, in its wisdom, failed to back her. It’s a massive opportunity missed and Truss has to take responsibility for it, but be in no doubt that history will prove that what she wanted to do was right even if the implementation was atrocious.

[Iron-awe]

You are struggling to make your silk purse out of the Truss Sows Ear but bravo for trying Buck’s and for endlessly making the same point over and over. Hey we get it your a Tory and your unhappy because in 12 years they have just fu**ed up but you will get over it eventually.

[Siderite]

It’s all a bit of battling against reality to try and argue for Trussinomics now. The impact was severe from the start and anyone trying to pursue it would not because of this shambles.

Trickle down economics does not work and there is no evidence that we would have seen the growth required from the plan. Growth happens when the middle and lower classes see a rise in wealth. This was a big benefit to the very rich and no-one else, and their wealth does not tend to filter down.

Now I await the disdain and attacks for daring to disagree civilly, while being made out to be a villain out to get the usual suspect.

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[Deereyme66]

The irony of ‘entirely predictable’ isn’t lost on me. What will today bring I wonder from the play school that is this Tory government?

[Northumbiron]

BI – “you have to generate wealth to pay for health, education, defence and everything else needed by modern society”

Oh, the wealth is being generated okay. It’s just not finding its way to those who need it.

It’s ending up in offshore accounts and non-doms. Hello Mr Sunak! The economy is buoyant when the public have a few quid in disposable income to spend in local businesses. It’s like Mr Macawber.. “Income 20/-, expenditure 19/6. Result happiness. Income 20/-, expenditure 20/6 result misery!”

£64 billion of taxpayers money wasted by Johnson: –

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20202533.best-britain-says-boris-johnsons-tories-wasted-64bn-taxpayer-cash/

You say Socialism always fails, well we’ve not seen a lot of success with the Tory alternative have we? So what’s the answer? With your denialist stance you’re not going to vote for the Green Party. Being an anti-racist, champion of minority groups you’ll avoid the far right looneys. So it’ll be the Lib Dems then? Bobby G will be pleased!

Or will you continue to support the party that put us in this position, largely due to a series of vanity projects?

We’ll soon have the third PM in six months. The fifth since that stupid referendum. Check out what the international press are saying this morning, particularly on the Brexit connections. But hey, they would say that wouldn’t they. They’re jealous of us ‘cos they need us more than they need us, blah, blah!

It’s a multi-faceted mess, most of which could have been avoided.

Only one set of culprits and if the country has its say they’ll be gone by Christmas.

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“when socialism crashes as it always has and always will.” not seen a proper socialist governement in UK have we? So how do you explain the often and deeper each time recessions we keep having and have had all my life?

[Deereyme66]

It would hardly be a socialist government IF Labour got in under Starmer anyway. Expect to hear a lot of that from the press and social media if there’s a GE, trying to put the frighteners on it. I expect Bucks knows it’s a red herring but it will be flogged to death regardless.

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