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Any chance you can stick to the debate, which is about Trump, not Corbyn, without hurling all these accusations around.
Yes please! ^^^^^^
Less use of the word “pathetic” by all concerned would not come amiss either.
That will be my last comment response on the subject as I am sick of your abusive comments and then crying like a baby when you get a response. Seen it so many times with other posters on both sides of the board. You seem to be on a stupid mission to wind people up. I will leave you to it.
‘Had it not been for Brexit the UK would now be embroiled in the complete mess the EU is making of its vaccination programme. Yes, the UK government has made dreadful mistakes over the pandemic but the boot’s now on the other foot. Yet somehow this is deflection?! That’s a joke.’
Yes, it’s extremely regrettable that the EU vaccination programme is not working well. That very sad situation that is going to effect the lives of millions should not be used by Johnson and co to gloat and dance round the playground singing ‘ner,ner,ne-ne, ner, we bagsied ours!’, or used as a macabre reason for leaving the EU, particularly given the thousands of unnecessary deaths this government is completely responsible for. When does the public enquiry start?
Yes, thoroughly weak leadership. It’s time Johnson took some personal responsibility.
Won’t happen tho’. He has a proven record of failing to follow through and running away from it, professionally and personally, as pretty much everyone who’s had dealings with him attests.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-liar-rory-stewart-b1614957.html
There’ll be an enquiry, but he’ll probably resign beforehand and say it all happened a long time ago, and now he’s no longer PM, what does it matter?
Any chance you can stick to the debate, which is about Trump, not Corbyn, without hurling all these accusations around.
Yes please! ^^^^^^
Less use of the word “pathetic” by all concerned would not come amiss either.
Yes, all very ranty, repetitive and predictable, hence the need for those ticks and crosses. (√ = alt+V on a Mac).
I would love to stick to the issue, Heath, but won’t apologise for one moment while the likes of Gurnelista and you come out with your sick comments. The irony, as always, is that you’re the one claiming to be the victim while perfectly happy to make comments every bit as bad as any racist. What a total and utter coward and hypocrite you are.
Gurnelista, yet more deafening silence from you around anti Semitism. It’s becoming increasingly evident that you’re racist as well as sick.
As for use of the word ‘pathetic’, what a bunch of wimps you lot are. Perfectly happy to throw insults and false accusations around but start crying as soon as anyone fights back.
Comments about the EU and vaccinations are also very revealing. Boris isn’t gloating at all, in fact the complete opposite and he’s accepted responsibility for the mistakes that have been made over the pandemic. None of that prevents you lot coming out with your false accusations.
Coward, hypocrite, victim, racist, wimp.
Any more you want to add Mr Loopy?
Post a copy of your doctor’s certificate. I might then have an ounce of sympathy for your “condition”.
I actually feel sorry for you, Heath, coming out with such a comment. Likewise Gurnelista, who very clearly for all his supposed “expertise” has zero understanding of mental illness.
I’m saying this on behalf of the millions of people in the UK now suffering from this crippling condition, which I can tell you from personal experience is unimaginably cruel. Having been the trustee of one of the UK’s leading children’s charities for mental health I can also tell you that it affects kids every bit as much as adults.
When you have clinical depression you would very happily take a bullet. That isn’t the same as being suicidal, btw, because you don’t want to die, but the illness is so bad that death would be preferable to living with such an illness. Seconds turn into days, minutes into weeks, hours into months and days into years, but these are times of despair, which I wouldn’t wish on anyone no matter how much I dislike them.
I don’t expect an apology from you or Gurnelista for your appalling comments, even though they really are on a par with the very worst any racist could throw at a black person. I do hope, however, that you will reflect on what you’ve said and take time to find out about what you’re mocking; and then I hope you will go out to a mental health charity and offer some help. Not money, just help, because that way you’ll realise why one of my daughter’s teachers who suffered from cancer said to me that she wouldn’t swap that for clinical depression. It was an incredibly brave thing for her to say and while I wouldn’t wish cancer or clinical depression on anyone, I did know where she was coming from.
I’ll leave it there. Thank you.
The thing that you never seem to understand is that I don’t actually need a lecture from you on mental health or the high handed assumption that I don’t already know all that you have posted above.
Just for your benefit, if I have posted something that offends you, it was only aimed at you!! Not the millions of people suffering from mental health problems in the UK or around the world. It is NOT equivalent to racism. What a pompous prick you are.
Why is taking offence only reserved for you?
You’ve called me a wanker, pathetic, coward, hypocrite, victim, racist, wimp – yet you expect me to take that without comment.
But if I make a comment in response to your repeated comments which belittle me and other posters on here, you cry like a baby, over and over again.
I’ve tried to stop this slanging match but you just keep coming back with your over the top rants.
I don’t know you and I’m not interested in your mental health or anything else about you. I’ve read more than enough to know all that I need to know about you.
BI, over and over again we hear about your wretched depression, when the only one who brings it up is yourself.
And now we witness the longest sick note in history being offered to members of the Board, a sort of ‘greatest hits’ compilation of all the others, together with a few out-takes and filler (strangely minus the ‘biggie’ of NPD).
However, members are not here to listen to your self-flagellation as you morbidly parade your excuses. Nor are we here to offer medical advice, although a so-called ‘popular’ view is that it is not good for one’s mental health to spend so many hours on the internet each day, particularly when it leads to conflict.
No, especially after 10 years of the Tories, Brexit, Trump and Boris, you have every reason to be dancing in the streets of Buckinghamshire. It has all come up trumps, so to speak, and you can be the happiest soul on IB, if only you want to be.
So, it really is time you took some personal responsibility and looked in the mirror. Instead of shirking and depending on others, gratuitously expecting preferential treatment, demanding careful use of so-called ‘woke’ language, and hoping for an ‘understanding’ of your putative ‘disadvantage’, you should stand alone on your own two feet, pull up your socks, and show the kind of common sense and can-do spirit which made this country great.
And nobody knows that better than yourself, BI. It’s all about the individual. This is the self-preservation society. God bless Mrs T.
Heath, would you like me to repeat all the insults hurled in my direction by you? I can assure you they’re every bit as bad as anything you’re claiming I’ve hurled at you. If you’re too blind to see that the comments you’ve made about mental health are remotely acceptable then I suggest you’re the one needing therapy, not me.
Gurnelista, I don’t listen to racists or those who come out with the sort of comments about mental health that you do. What’s so sad is that you can’t see the irony in your own comments. It’s always the same — a load of psychological claptrap about someone else, often me.
What you fail to understand is how easy it is to see straight through you. You don’t have a clue about me but still you come out with the same old stuff, the same formula of self-righteous “I know best” nonsense.
Well carry on fooling yourself.
The big question is, what will FLOTUS do now that the narcissist has departed?
I have never made a comment about mental health, the comment I made was about YOU and rightly so. I have no evidence or knowledge of your medical condition, it’s a matter for your doctor and no interest to me.
One rule for you and another rule for everyone else.
I have to say that some of the comments on here have stepped beyond the mark of acceptability. I get how Bucks can irritate and frustrate, but I don’t think there’s a need for the constant mud slinging at his mental health. I don’t think he brings it up for guilt tripping. I don’t see the need for him to produce proof of it and I wish people would be more forgiving. I have probably failed here, so I don’t want to assume superiority to anyone.
Having said that, I wish Bucks would do the same in return and be charitable with others at times. I get he might balk at the idea of being charitable to Gurnelista, but maybe he could be so to others when they air views which disagree. Things like being critical of Brexit does not make you hate the UK, nor does criticising Johnson’s handling of coronavirus. Yet that is treated on the same level as the jibes at mental health.
I don’t see what DeereyMe is revealing except for a dislike of how the Tories have handled the pandemic, on the whole. It is not some cardinal sin to see that as an issue. I see the overall handling as poor, with the exception of vaccine rollout. The lockdowns have been dithering, they come later than they should and too often the government hits out at the opposition for calling for better measures and then u-turns. It all seems calamitous and the size of the death toll is very worrying and points to it being mismanaged.
Of course you can disagree, but in a society where opposing viewpoints are welcome, there should be room to think otherwise. I don’t see the issue with people calling out Johnson, because he’s the PM, not our mate from down the pub. If you think it’s incorrect criticism, fine, but I don’t see the problem with anyone calling him out. Maybe there is a bias here, but that’s not the fault of anyone here. The issues to you come from the jibes and sniping about you, not disagreeing about Johnson.
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‘I don’t think he brings it up for guilt tripping.’
You may be right. My opinion is that, like a lot of what he posts, it’s designed to provoke others and make them angry. And then many posters, on both sides of IB don’t ever forget that, fall in to the trap of retaliating and bingo, the demonisation begins, the slurring. There are plenty of others who have retaliated in the past on the football side and said far worse things but it’s noticable how they’re not followed up on. Anyone on the left / voted Remain is targeted and provoked further and it all escalates. I’m as guilty as anyone of falling for it. Perhaps not as much as in the past, so that’s a bit of progress.
Anyway, just my thoughts…
He makes me angry and he has history of doing that with other posters. I’ve listed the names he has called me. I very much welcome your opinion BRI. I would just like to point out that he repeatedly calls me a sad individual, pathetic etc. well before I made the comment that has upset him. He clearly does not understand or acknowledge that the way he posts is very annoying. It’s not as if he hasn’t been told is it ?
He makes me angry and he has history of doing that with other posters. I’ve listed the names he has called me. I very much welcome your opinion BRI. I would just like to point out that he repeatedly calls me a sad individual, pathetic etc. well before I made the comment that has upset him. He clearly does not understand or acknowledge that the way he posts is very annoying. It’s not as if he hasn’t been told is it ?
I agree that his posting style and dismissals of others can be irritating. He has done with me in the past. I still curl my lip at the arguments about his mental health and find them below the belt.
This is what I mean by a feedback loop. He irritates you with such glib dismissals and lack of respect and you get back at him and it becomes tit for tat, and I have been guilty of this too.
I am not sure what the way out of it is, but I must admit I am getting fed up of engaging in what is less about debate and more of a personal battle. It becomes impossible to debate when it’s all about Bucks or when he just dismisses arguments as inherently bitter, about hating the UK or whatever.
Gurnelista and Bucks both like to provoke and it becomes less about the points and more about egos, and I am sure I have let mine show too often.
I think some posters on here have been very tolerant towards BI, even defensive. Just check theirs and my ‘back catalogues’, only 2 clicks away.
Gurney provocative? Check the ‘Deal’ thread. Check BI’s first post, addressed to ‘a bunch of bitter old men’! Or, note his obsessive references to others, or to Gurn, 12 times in the first 5 pages, compared to my 3 sporadic replies!
‘Provocation’ of propagandists and their doppelgangers? If they try to gain the confidence of the gullible and easily impressed in a bid to make them more receptive to far-right politics/parties, they deserve to be called out. Their content and style make them readily identifiable. There are other ways too…
The unchecked, online manipulation of voters through multiple identities, non-identities and lying has become a distinctive feature of political propaganda. It has affected us all. It helped Trump get elected, it helped deliver Brexit, and has contributed to polarization and economic crisis. It really deserves a lot more than just satire.
I don’t think Bucks is innocent by any stretch, and share the same poor view of his argumentative style, but I think your satires and psychologies are provoking towards him, as well as the talk of his mental health.
Read the threads BRI and you will find the cause. This thread:
“You even appear to relish the number of covid deaths as though this is some sort of ‘victory’ for your strange views of the world. What a sad and bitter man you are”.
Don’t you think calling somebody “a sad and bitter man” as abusive and a statement about someone’s mental well being?
I do!!!
Not a coincidence that those who disagree with Bucks the most are grouped together as ‘usual suspects’ and ‘Freemasons’, before he appeals to this mysterious gallery he oftern refers to, ‘look at them, relishing Covid deaths and hating England! Burn them, burn them, burn them!’
I do get it. I just find some of the comments directed at him distasteful, and I am not pretending to be a saint, since I have let off steam with comments directed at him myself.
Talking of saints, ‘Saint Deerey’ was often lodged at me a few years ago. Anyway, moving on….
Moving back towards the topic, the decision to place Paul Dacre in charge of OFCOM is a very Trumpian move.
It is. Get the media tied up and you can say and do what you like without any comebacks and dominate in perpetuity. Well, you can in the UK anyway.
Thank you, BRI, I do appreciate your comments.
What the “usual suspects” fail to understand or appreciate is that they are very much part of a group of posters, which although small in number very much dominate this board. What happens all the time is that one of them will post a comment with a very clear, politically targeted barb followed by all of them piling in to “back-up” the OP.
Anyone who dares to question the OP is then torn down by the usual suspects, which almost always includes a personal attack. There are numerous examples of this for anyone to see. Yet here we have the “usual suspects” claiming to be the victims. They can dish it out and support each other in doing so, but can’t take it back. The abuse hurled at me has been appalling. Yet, apparently, I’m the “wimp”.
Heath and Gurnelista, your comments about mental health are beyond the pale. There really is no word that sums up how appalling they are; and there is no difference whatever between this and racially abusing a black person and anyone who believes otherwise needs therapy, not me. It’s also sick to claim that I raise mental health looking for sympathy, which is a 100% lie. I’ve only ever raised it because it needs to be in the open and talked about, yet even this is turned against me by the cowards on here.
As for claiming “I have never made a comment about mental health, the comment I made was about YOU and rightly so”, Heath, this reveals just how pathetic you are. There is no other word for it. It is EXACTLY the same as claiming you’re only being racist against a single person and nobody else. You even try to justify yourself by saying that calling someone “bitter and sad” is mental abuse?! If that is the case then you’ve been mentally abusing me and others on this board for years, because I can assure you such a comment is tame compared to what you’ve called me and others.
As for Gurnelista, I have no time for racists; and every time I say that I give an opportunity for Gurnelista to prove that he isn’t, but he never does. People can draw their own conclusions. Despite this it’s perfectly fine for Gurnelista to make absurd claims about others being racist when there is zero evidence. Then we have all your “psychological tricks”, which have actually become hilarious except there’s nothing remotely funny behind them.
Now I’m being accused of “gaslighting”. Hypocrisy doesn’t even begin to cover this. The usual suspects do so much gaslighting that it must be affecting climate change. Sorry, but you’re like a bunch of bully boys, all tough when you’re ganging up on someone but pathetically weak when someone fights back.
And be in no doubt that I will fight back. If it irritates you, so be it. I don’t have a monopoly on being irritating I can assure you.
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