Trump Gaza

[Deereyme66]

https://news.sky.com/video/vertical-video-2-trump-gaza-truth-social-hub-mp4-13317318

[Siderite]

The guy is off his head. Alongside that madness there’s this:

https://x.com/davidfrum/status/1895150416738033992

[Deereyme66]

Beyond farcical. Utter madness.

[Gurnelista]

Trump and Netinyahu – provocative in the extreme and may lead to another assassination attempt.

[Iron-awe]

Gurnelista wrote:

Trump and Netinyahu – provocative in the extreme and may lead to another assassination attempt.

The amount of protection afforded to the President of the USA is unprecedented and you would surmise the attempt at the rally back in the summer was just a massive failure by the secret services. It shouldn’t happen anyway however much of a dictator he appears to be turning into and such things should be resolved within the administration itself if things just become too dangerous but then again Trump appears to just have yes men working for him this time around as President. For all moderate fair minded people living in America and the world in general it’s becoming a very worrying time indeed.

[Deereyme66]

Biggest problem with the video for me is that he probably has no realisation or care that it’s possibly the cheapest recruitment tool ever produced. Make America Great Again? Make the whole world, except Russia, Israel and North Korea, Hate Us Even More. Admittedly, it doesn’t scan or abbreviate as well.

[Siderite]

Part of it is that Trump has a desire to be loved. He will sway to whatever route makes him feel adulated. Putin, Musk, Thiel and co can do that, so he goes along with a lot of their beliefs.

He is now making positive comments about Ukraine and Zelensky probably because Macron and Starmer have successfully placated his ego. It’s either that or he can’t remember what nonsense he spouts given his possibly deteriorating cognitive powers. He still has no respect for checks and balances or principles, but the ideological framework seems to match that of a radicalised Musk and the Heritage Foundation. All because they can tickle his tummy enough.

[Siderite]

Or maybe it’s all a ploy for today’s shit show. Trump and Vance an embarrassment to what the USA once stood for. They can go back to voting alongside their new pals Russia, North Korea and Eritrea at the UN. I wonder if Vance is going to lecture Putin on causing war, rather than the defending party, and about their poisoning and window falling of dissidents.

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Deereyme66

[Iron-awe]

Are we really surprised, they got Zelensky in the press conference and just tried to bully him, no dignity or diplomacy from Trump whatsoever, he’s just proved live on air what the majority have known about him for years. He’s not fit to shovel shit never mind fit to be President of the USA, Zelensky should tell Trump in private to shove his mineral contract up his backside, it does nothing concrete to protect Ukraine it just favours the USA and strokes Trump’s overblown ego.

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[Siderite]

This coming from a British conservative too (former staffer to Michael Fabricant):

https://x.com/btharris93/status/1895539569036312674

I can’t say I disagree, and I am another who hasn’t been so instinctively anti-American. No fan of Reagan or the Bush family, but they were proud American leaders who acted in the best interests of the state, at least according to their beliefs. This jumped up reality mogul and his motley crew have no sense of statesmanship. The USA was pushing for Canada to be expelled from the Five Eyes intelligence sharing network. Not going to happen, the UK, Australia and New Zealand wouldn’t stand for it, but if anything it’s the rest of us who should be treating intelligence sharing with the USA carefully while they have people like Gabbard in such positions.

[Iron Age]

Iron-awe wrote:

Are we really surprised, they got Zelensky in the press conference and just tried to bully him, no dignity or diplomacy from Trump whatsoever, he’s just proved live on air what the majority have known about him for years. He’s not fit to shovel shit never mind fit to be President of the USA, Zelensky should tell Trump in private to shove his mineral contract up his backside, it does nothing concrete to protect Ukraine it just favours the USA and strokes Trump’s overblown ego.

And we’ve just invited the moron for a state visit after brown nosing him in the White House.

[Iron-awe]

I’m not royalist and I understand that royalty shouldn’t get politically involved with other countries leaders but Charles comes across as a decent enough guy despite his privileged lifestyle but the last thing he will be wanting is a visit from that orange faced egotistical oaf. The crown certainly must weigh heavy when undertaking such abhorrent royal duties with the likes of Trump,a thoroughly repulsive disgusting human being.

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[Siderite]

Iron Age wrote:

Iron-awe wrote:

Are we really surprised, they got Zelensky in the press conference and just tried to bully him, no dignity or diplomacy from Trump whatsoever, he’s just proved live on air what the majority have known about him for years. He’s not fit to shovel shit never mind fit to be President of the USA, Zelensky should tell Trump in private to shove his mineral contract up his backside, it does nothing concrete to protect Ukraine it just favours the USA and strokes Trump’s overblown ego.

And we’ve just invited the moron for a state visit after brown nosing him in the White House.

I can understand why Starmer wanted to go over to meet Trump and try and woo him, but that state invitation should never have happened. Not right now while USA wants to backstab Ukraine and Europe. Now it’s a millstone and the government look behind, while 20 European nations, Australia and Canada have all shown support for Ukraine and we haven’t publicly.

The MAGA attempt to excuse this farce is that Zelensky was getting irate first, but what triggered this was Trump and Vance tried to make equivocations about Russians dying too and meetings with Putin. Quite understandably Zelensky pointed out that Putin doesn’t respect ceasefires unless it’s to benefit Russia, and with nothing for Ukraine, that the equivalence in loss of life is not the same as Russia is the aggressor and all this set off the Trump and Vance rage. They are too blinkered and without self-relfection that they can’t consider the viewpoint of someone fighting to defend their own country and think that is a problem because they have swallowed Russian nonsense. They think Zelensky is wanting war because he won’t surrender his country to Russia with no security guarantees. They are too ignorant to think that giving Putin whatever he wants is only encouragement for an attempt to take more, and maybe threaten other countries, so this ‘peace’ they desire is a pitiful one. One that would be, at best, short term. Anyone who listens to Russian arguments made domestically will hear their talk of how the former Soviet bloc needs to be subjugated into Russian control and there’s none of the “we’re threatened by NATO” crap. That’s aimed towards the west for useful idiots to swallow and prevent support for those they try and attack. I realise I am probably preaching to a choir here for the most part.

Could Zelensky have handled it differently? Maybe, but he is under immense stress and had to listen to such offensive rubbish about the war, while he has the weight of his nation on his shoulders. Frustration is understandable when you have pig headed ignoramuses spouting idiocy. He also has to stand up for his countrymen, and from what I have seen, many in Ukraine seem thankful and supportive. I have seen many saying they weren’t big Zelensky fans before, but this shows he has their best interests at heart. For people who love to crow on about how much they ‘care’ for Ukrainian lives because war has a death toll, they don’t seem to listen to what Ukrainians say. The majority of Ukrainians don’t want to be subjugated to Russian rule and understand any ‘peace’ is only temporary unless Russia can be constrained. Trump isn’t promising that, but he and his allies will still speak as if they have Ukrainians at heart when they speak of their ‘peace’.

The mad thing is that Trump and Vance seem to think that Russia is some great power they need to placate. The country has a lower GDP than Italy. Its army has been reduced to a husk of its former self. The Black Sea Fleet has been seen off by Ukraine, the army are often using donkeys and clapped out Ladas to bring troops in because Ukraine has destroyed so much. The winter war of 1939 was seen as an embarrassment for the Red Army because it didn’t subjugate Finland. Yet the Red Army was able to gain more land then than Russia has in the ‘3 day military operation’. The only reason Russia has made any gains recently is because they use their men as cannon fodder to overwhelm Ukrainian supplies, forcing them to retreat. Though, that’s slowed now. Even the most optimistic (for the Russian) estimates is that the Russians can hold out for 2 more years before the war is completely unsustainable for them. The most pessimistic is another 6 months, as it stands. Yet the US wants to hitch itself to this, maybe in the vain hope it cleaves Russia from China. It won’t and it shows that what is happening is that Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are being cleaved from the USA. Russia will likely stay by China’s side. Russia has wanted to see the west damaged and weakened since Putin got it, thinking that will make it more of a power and for revenge. China wants to be the superpower. They have more interests together than with Trump’s USA.

A main thought I have is that this is the end of the US century and the beginning of the Chinese one. I wouldn’t be surprised to see more Chinese involvement in trade and maybe other deals with Europe at least, with USA losing its influence and being left to decline with no sign of USA being great again. None of which is a good thing, it’s sad. The USA has been a good ally and an important force during 80 years of a more peaceful world (the amount of wars had declined since WWII in a more peaceful era than what has generally been known), but it’s surrendering it. I have my issues with many past presidents, but most represented what the USA could be, but this feels like the end. My sadness here is with the Americans who will be affected by the upcoming domestic struggles and having to be dealing with this.

[Siderite]

Another bleak prediction: China will possibly invade Taiwan. USA will do nothing, and maybe criticise Taiwan. Europe will do little as it eyes opportunities with China.

[Iron-awe]

The Americans who voted Trump in may be now reflecting on their choice, not the maga moron fringe but the ordinary American who were prepared to give Trump another chance. Convicted felon, fraudster and finally revealed so many times publicly since he got re – elected, the narcissistic lying oaf he is and yet most of the world have known for a long time. America what have you done and where have you gone.

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Deereyme66

[premier iron]

It doesnt say much for the Americans who voted for Trump.Are they all thick ?

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[Deereyme66]

From a Republican

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