To be pro monarchy

[Iron Age]

It’s quite strange how the “Libertarians”, who criticise state interference, are quite happy to use the state to silence peaceful protest.
Remember Thatcher and the Ridley Plan.

[Just Iron]

Good points, Sidey. My ‘rant’ was just an attempt to ingratiate myself. As everyone knows I don’t like to stand out from the crowd.When even Bill can’t post without a swipe at me I know it’s time to mend my ways and try to fit in somewhere. Since the majority either feel that anyone with a more nuanced approach is gullible, suffering a form of psychosis or just an idiot .. or at least, apart from you, either deferring to them on even thanking them ..I decided to jump in myself in the sane vein in the hope of winning some friends. I’ve obviously failed again. Maybe just calling you all miserable sinners would be better ..at least it will prove NI right and Bill will start to be my friend again. What’s a guy to do,eh?

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[Siderite]

I get the impression that only being the right ‘kind’ of Christian would be enough for bill, otherwise you’re no better than the heathens. :-) He does seem to have it in for you.

[Heath]

Agree with your text about the police though I would use the words decreed and instructed by the Tories rather than enabled.

The religious ceremony did include language of caring for ALL, the needy and those in peril . Completely at odds with the Tories and Braverman’s rhetoric and policy choices.

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[Deereyme66]

‘If they are consistent with this, all protest would have grounds for being shut down with arrests. It’s nothing more than authoritarianism, enabled by our hardline home secretaries. It’s disgraceful.’

[Gurnelista]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Harris is a perpetual guff talker. Always has been.

Agree when he’s on about politics. Better on music, mind.

[Gurnelista]

Just Iron wrote:

Dismantle all those historic institutions that can’t be logically and rationally explained and whatever comes next HAS to be better. FACT!!

Haha, it reminds me of your anti-EU propaganda Les, especially the FACT capitals!! Yet, here you are, the biggest Brexiter still on the board – the same Brexiter who stood and fell so passionately on the mantra about unelected representatives – cheerleading for, erm… unelected representatives! Have you got a personal interest in this as well?

[Just Iron]

You’re ‘apparently confused’ again, Gurney. As I said previously … I voted remain. I was ambivalent at the time … but found myself happy with the outcome. It may be unpalatable to you… but certainly shouldn’t qualify me as the biggest Brexiter on the board. But then again I’ve never found you interested in pursuing truth. Hence the misnaming and deliberate melding of posters. We’ve locked horns a few times on here but there’s only one person resorting to misrepresentation and jibes. Just let your arguments stand and stay respectful. You’ll actually grow as a person.

[Gurnelista]

“Ambivalent” about the EU, voted ‘remain’ but happy with the outcome? Sounds like a hallmark of confusion!

Same with ‘doing a jonnie’ and doppelganging while digging yourself into ever deeper holes with fantasies about Brexit, the church, monarchy, etc.

But there’s a solution. The time has come for a moment of clarity and liberation. Cast off the veil of deceit, release yourself from those manacles of Brexit shame, stand up and and come out to the world as just Les. Then, actually address the point made – namely, how can you defend Brexit on the grounds that the EU is (allegedly) manned by unelected representatives, while defending an unelected aristocracy here?

Oh, and as for that insufferable patronage and guff about prayers and growth, how could anyone take it seriously coming from a previously self-confessed Afro-Caribbean lesbian?

[Just Iron]

I’ve got a nagging feeling that maybe ..just maybe .. you’re just not too keen on me, Gurney. My advice was genuine … although the prayer stuff seems to have come from within you. Maybe you should give it a go if it’s popped into your head. On the other hand … I definitely DID advocate
honesty and respect as a path to personal growth. You should try it sometime.

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He’s not Les Gurney

[Gurnelista]

JL you seem more concerned with being liked than addressing the point made about unelected representatives.

You’re also getting forgetful. Check back a few weeks back March 7th and Jan 18th and you were praying for Gurn! Now, I’ve always thought the real beneficiary of prayers is the supplicant, not the prayed for. But please yourself.

Another thing you forgot is that on Dec 13th 2018 at 4.28pm you posted the following on Bru as JI:

“The EU has become an expression of trends to globalisation and undemocratic centralisation of power and not so subtle erosion of democracy and the nation state. The EU is a busted flush as it stands… the far right are massing in Germany and even Sweden. … The implosion of the EU is already before our eyes….”

And despite this you claim you voted ‘remain’! Well, verily the height of confusion. Or the depths of dishonesty? Come on, let’s see if you can post on topic instead of meandering mournfully over who likes / loves / prays for who.

[Iron-awe]

JI a false prophet, who would have thunk it 😂

[Deereyme66]

Most people need a messiah in some way, shape, or form.

[billpuntonsghost]

Shame you didn’t look at the videos on “ looking at both sides of the argument “
I doubt if Just Iron did as well!

[Deereyme66]

I said ‘most people’ bpg and don’t include myself in that.

[Just Iron]

You really are ‘tracking’ me, Gurney. Some dossier you’ve compiled.
For a guy that you think is ‘concerned with being liked’ I seem to provoke a fair amount of opposition. Even my ol’ mate Bill is still showing the same compulsion to sneer in every post just as you you’ve decided to do.
Re prayer … you’re right. I did mention it a month ago and then before that as your dossier shows. In this latest exchange I made the mistake of simply engaging in the current conversation without anticipating that you were still smarting from old exchanges. Maybe you should send me a copy of the dossier.
Re the EU your dossier should turn up my explanation as to the process I went through during and after the referendum. The key word is process,Gurney. Some folk approach certain situations in life with a degree of caution and uncertainty and their thinking evolves. Some people regard that as evidence of confusion, immaturity .. or even suspect that there’s a lack of honesty being displayed. Others see it as a commendable, even humble approach to a world where truth can be quite tentative and a change of mind is often a reflection of wisdom. I tend to find that those adopting the first attitude are usually quite rigid in their thinking, bound by ideology and dismissive and even disrespectful to those challenging their narrative. It may offer a touch of gratification but it’s not a recipe for personal growth.
As an afterthought …. Since you posed a similar question in reverse.. is there any difference between accepting an unelected figurehead as Head of State and accepting the diktats of unelected officials in a remote bureaucracy?

[Heath]

“unelected figurehead as Head of State and accepting the diktats of unelected officials in a remote bureaucracy?”

And you are asking us to believe that you voted remain?

[Gurnelista]

Now, the monarchy is hereditary and little would be lost and much gained by ditching it. The EU is the opposite on all counts, as we have seen. And, everything has been made immeasurably worse, exactly as predicted by those influenced by facts, not beliefs.

And, let’s clear this up about voting. Heathy’s post says it all. ‘Diktats’ ‘remote bureaucracy’ – it’s your linguaprint giving you away again, Justles, it’s the right-winger’s vocabulary of choice when criticising the left or the EU… you’d no more vote remain than visit Pyongyang or Mecca!

As for your dossier idea, it seems if anyone remembers what you said they must have a file on you, and if they don’t they must be confused – so much for your ‘nuanced thinking’.

But this ‘process’ of thought of which you speak, is absolutely fascinating. How intellectually impressive, highly developed, and culturally renaissance. No doubt it went something like this….

Pre-referendum you might have read propaganda on Bru from erm… Lesgeo. Let’s revisit some of that. Our first exhibit is a post of June 11th 2014, 7.33 am, where he states that “I know the party (UKIP) inside out and am always truthful.” (!!!) A man of the church, an educator, and a former magistrate we are told… so absolutely no reason whatsoever to question his credentials, or indeed the content of our second exhibit, from Bru and dated Dec. 10th 2015….

“Please please take ten minutes of your time to read this – then send to everyone on your email list and place on Facebook – requesting others to do the same. Thanks, I spent a very long time researching all of this.

– Firms leaving the UK after Brexit – evidence not given.
– They don’t call the EU the evil empire for nothing.
– We have hitched our wagon to a dying horse.
– The EU is failing.
– Turkey will soon join the EU. One careful newspaper poll found that 12 million Turks are considering coming to the UK. Inside the EU, even if only 20% true this cannot be prevented.
– Have you noticed in the TV debates how it is only the Remainists (sic) who shout down opponents – ask yourself why this would be!”

Strangely, these lies and others appeared ‘verbatim’ on far-right Christian websites, namely:

https://briangemmell.blogspot.com/2016/06/

http://propheticwitnessmovementnewportbranch.blogspot.com/2016/06/before-voting-in-referendum-please.html

They even appeared on the extraordinarily racist ‘Truth Wars’ website (which now requires a user login)

https://truth-wars.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,21.0.html

The chief contributor to Truth Wars is known as ‘the Leveller’. He even claims to be a good Catholic, while putting up pieces like ‘Farage Brilliant in Australia’, ‘an Evening with Enoch Powell’ and ‘Katie Hopkins at the For Britain Conference’, together with assorted pro-BNP pieces.

Now, I’m sure there’s no connection between Lesgeo, the jonnies, and the Leveller. Their dabbling with the far-right would be like not only dancing, but suppin’ wi’ the devil, and that really would be too dark, wouldn’t it?? Certainly not a recipe for the ‘personal growth’ of which you speak, more like personal atrophy!

But, it really is odd that all contributions to these sites are anonymous. Why do you think this might be? And how on earth did they end up on Bru, via Lesgeo?

So, pre-referendum and prior to allegedly voting ‘leave’, after digesting the above, and carefully reflecting on it, if you’d been asked why should anyone vote ‘remain’, you might well have said something like:

“I think we should remain because leaving the EU would be utterly foolish and harm the country economically, politically and socially. With these and other racist and un-Christian posts polluting Bru, I think Les and others are gaslighting and grooming board members and their friends and families simply to further their own agendas, not least of which is jonnies’ career.”

You might well have added “Moreover, the whole leave campaign is orchestrated by lying, shamelessly populist, self-promoting racists to take attention away from the government incompetence in a recession. Those Kippers lying about foreigners are just looking for a political or religious endorsement for their own bigotries. Stupid is as stupid does. And while we suffer at home, you’ve got that Arnott daring to moan about the shoddiness of the shoddy sofa-bed in his Brussels office!! I don’t know if there’s a place in hell for liars and cheats, but some contrition could mean a briefer stay in purgatory!”

And that would be it – a perfectly calm, rational, objective assessment.

But here we are, several years on, and despite all that has happened and all we now know, your contentment with ‘leave’ must presumably have come about following a conversion of truly biblical, Damascene proportions…. alas you don’t say above, but do prey tell Bru what that was!

Certainly, it was a funny old time. You can read all about it in my new Australian-style autobiography ‘A-Fumblin’ and A-Fakin’ it’!

[Siderite]

Have you saved and stored comments on this forum, dating back years, and spent time hunting down where else they have been shared? That’s effort.

What relevance does this have, by the way? Some crank called Brian Gemmell shared a post by your man, Johnnie, on his amateurish blog (it has the standard in your face and unpleasant aesthetic of a lot of these conspiracy sites) and it was shared elsewhere among people who would dislike the EU. This is not uncommon and not the sign of a conspiracy. Where does JI being Les fit in?

[Deereyme66]

Quite often don’t agree with 64 Gurney, but he’s right, JI isn’t Les.

[billpuntonsghost]

I’m not sneering at your posts JI, all i said was the video “ looking at both sides of the argument “, I bet you haven’t watched it- have you?

[Siderite]

I wonder what Jesus would have to say about online trolling if he was aware of the existence of the internet during his time. :-)

[Iron-awe]

More sarcasm Sidey, you are a proper little tinker these days.

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[Just Iron]

Without making this even more protracted than it’s become … I’ve never been to Mecca or N Korea but DID vote remain. I was persuaded at the last by a close friend who outlined the inevitable economic implications and, to be fair, felt that my vote really wasn’t too important because we would be staying in anyway. I was definitely torn and uncertain in the build up. Sometimes you only recognise what’s in your heart after the event. At the risk of enraging certain posters .. I found myself relieved as well as shocked at the outcome. I had prayed for what was best (I know!! I Know!!) But I am Christian ..further incoming from, Bill dear God this is a minefield!!..so it should be expected that I would do that prayerthing at such a monumental time. My understanding has developed since that time and made firmer my view … which I think I’m entitled to without ridicule and defamation of character..that the long term implications will be for the best. Hope that explains, Heath, how I made the statement you quoted yet really had voted remain. I am pretty sure that you won’t find any merit in this explanation, Gurney ..but you’ve actually told me that I didn’t do what I did so, as ever,there’s little ground for or point in trying to have discourse with you.
Finally .. I have appreciated the several comments in this thread from posters who, I know, really struggle with some of my perspectives but have recognised that all the doppelganger/Les nonsense is .. to be generous ..unhelpful.

[Just Iron]

ps Bill. Do you really think its ‘a good look’ to keep airing your opinion of my ‘spirituality’ before people who don’t give a monkeys? I did watch your clip. I’m not keen on that theological understanding and what it produces. We’ve talked about why and neither of us have shifted positions. How about letting it go now?

[billpuntonsghost]

Like I’ve said before JI,your patronising,pompous ,arrogant attitude always shines through in your posts.

[billpuntonsghost]

..look back at the “clumsy” ( your word) e- mail you sent me ,with no apology given,and this explains my last post.

[Just Iron]

Bill ..have you any idea how this looks to an audience? The biggest mistake I made was responding to your invitation to meet up. You have my number. Continue this where it should be .. in private. I have chosen nor to block you up to this point in the hope of a more amicable connection.
To the rest of you guys ..my apologies.

[Gurnelista]

JL, you come on here with an aspiration to high-minded thinking yet your world appears to be one of strong religious belief married to truly dreadful and dangerous far-right attitudes.

You’ve taken a vow of silence on the unelected monarchy, despite your dislike of an (allegedly) unelected EU commission. You’ve also ‘pled the fifth’ about those disgusting websites which pervert the purity of the Christian message by yoking it to racism, presumably because you find them of interest. Is it possible to be racist and Christian? Is yours a pick ‘n’ mix Christianity, just choosing your favourite bits and ignoring the rest, like with a Christmas tin of Quality Street?

As for all this about the changing of the mind, the work in progress, the process of becoming, the grandiosity, patronage and prayers for others – I must confess it has had an effect on me – it made me change my mind! I used to think there was nobody else who could compete with Bucksiron’s self-absorption. But now I don’t.

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