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    alcazar
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    Taken from another persons feed but totally reflects my own feelings

    The press, and some proper b*ll*nds on social media, have finally got to me so it’s rant time.

    One thing this virus event has shown is the great divide between those constantly dripping about whose fault this is, and those who know that 20/20 hindsight is no bloody use at all.

    It’s a fact that no country in the world has a trillion bits of kit lying in storage, shedloads of empty hospitals waiting to fill, nor a Gucci vaccine on tap for any undiscovered virus. And, unsurprisingly there is never a one size fits all solution just waiting to be dusted off and implemented for something as complex as Covid19. So sometimes things are sh!t, horribly sh!t, while those in a position to act start the unenviable task of trying to juggle a myriad of balls without dropping any. Personally, I believe that the progress in the last 3 weeks has been astonishing.

    Those in charge, whether you voted for them or not, both need and deserve support while they do their absolute best to limit the inevitable physical, emotional and economic damage. They will make mistakes, have regrets and have to learn quickly. They probably won’t do it the way everyone would want and may not have everyones specific interests at the top of their priorities. But they will save lives while they endeavour to deal with something of a magnitude no other government in a generation has had to.

    People are going to die and still there are tw@ts banging on about not being able to fly a kite or walk their parrot or sit on a hilltop in Snowdonia. Doubtless they’ll still be dripping when, downstream, we have to pay for all the financial support being rolled out.

    The virus, or it’s consequences, is nobody’s fault so I feel obliged to try and educate others to stop putting all their energy into looking for someone to blame.

    So continue to spread the message to support the workers, be kind to each other and those less able (except the morons), support local business where you can and stay positive in what you say, type and do. Some of the online banter and humour is stunning, beautifully dark and uncompromising.

    While our neighbours, family and friends are suffering, that will help more than the morons out there throwing stones at those who are actually stepping up.

    That’s better.
    Stay safe guys

    #175813

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    Nice bit of nodding Fido.🐕

    #175820

    Heath
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    There are more questions than answers to just about everything including this situation.

    #175822

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    Live and learn, it appears only lefties fly kites.
    Also as one of ‘the forum six’ weeks ago I praised the government for their handling of the present crisis. Still, if it doesn’t fit your agenda, and you can stereotype those that don’t always agree with you…

    It’s our time.

    #175824

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    People are going to die and still there are tw@ts banging on about not being able to fly a kite or walk their parrot or sit on a hilltop in Snowdonia.

    None of whom voted Tory of course!

    support local business where you can and stay positive in what you say, type and do.

    Been out this morning to collect some real ale from one of our local breweries. Using local farm shops and the fish and game guy down the road. Got the fruit and veg Van in the village tomorrow (highlight of the week at the moment) and tonight we’re getting fish and chips delivered from the pub.

    Not sure why you’ve put “lefties please read” on the thread. From what I’ve read on here no one is blaming anyone for the virus, only questioning the COUNTRY’S slow response to it. Other nations have dealt with it much better.

    We are entitled to ask why.

    So I’ve got a 4 pint growler of Firebrick Brewery’s Pagan Queen. Wish I could give you some, sounds like you need it.

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    #175825

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    A lot of the people whining about not being able to fly kites, go to Snowdon, go to the pub etc have been the right wing. Or are you seriously going to argue that Laura Perrins, owner of Conservative Woman, Toby Young, Fraser Nelson, editor of the Spectator, Peter Hitchens and Brendan O’Neill are actually lefties and liberals?

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    #175826

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    you say a slow response NI, havnt the government just followed the advice of scientists and senior medical advisors, the mayor of london as said people should wear face masks but as no scientific evidence to back this up at the moment, i am sure if w.h.o. or our experts recommend this then we will.up to the crisis it has not been the governments job to procure ppe that is left to the 223 trusts to do but now they have had to step in, something i am sure we can all agree is responsible.

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    #175829

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    Watch: rattled Matt Hancock finally admits – Tories only listen to the science when it suits them


    You sure about that awaywego?

    Anyone saying now is not the time to criticise either voted Tory , wants to be one or is Kier Starmer

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    We should be taking about prosecution for manslaughter

    #175835

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    Awaywego, I dunno about where you live or who you talk to but we were expecting full lock down 10-12 days before it happened.

    Last restaurant I went into was on 12 March and they were practicing social distancing then. Last time I went to the pub was Friday 13 March and everyone I spoke to was expecting it to be announced that weekend. When did stuff start disappearing of supermarket shelves? Around the first week in March. We knew what was coming.

    People were looking at other countries and asking why haven’t we acted?

    Germany, Greece, New Zealand. All acted quicker and all have fared better.

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    #175840

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    Watch: rattled Matt Hancock finally admits – Tories only listen to the science when it suits them

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    You sure about that awaywego?

    Anyone saying now is not the time to criticise either voted Tory , wants to be one or is Kier Starmer

    Well, they were listening to advice from their scientific advisers, which is what he meant. Other scientists disagree, but it would have been a brave decision to disregard their own advisers. I doubt Corbyn would have done that if he was PM.

    As for Starmer, he asked many questions about the governmental strategy at PMQs today, which goes against your narrative here.

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    They were advised to go to full lockdown 3 weeks before they did it.

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    #175845

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    Starmer to be fair has always said, including today, that he wants to work with the Government on the problems the country is facing but he wants answers about the way the strategy on coronavirus has been handled. That’s basically what the majority on this forum want, some honest debate about why things have been handled in a certain way and the timing of things. It’s only a few who are trying to politically hijack these issues rather then discuss the various points raised objectively. For the umpteenth time, this is about accountability on the handling of this crisis and is not a political arse kicking as a few seem to be pointing out. Certain threads have been completely ignored and random points raised which are not the ones being asked about, if people can’t answer honestly then best don’t bother but diversion tactics are just an avoidance of what they can’t bring themselves to say IMO.

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    #175856

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    personally i think they are doing very well with the response not perfect of course,its not political point scoring to show how much of a challenge it is to get ppe, but its like scunny going from having a crowd of 3300 one week to a crowd of 600,000 the next, how could we get all the PIES, how could we cook them, how many people would we need to sell them, ovens,outlets, so i dont think it is that simplistic, the hardest decisions are yet to come, you know if it were down to me i would had no lockdown at all.

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    #175867

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    Yes, you’d have no lockdown at all awaywego so it warrants anything else you say on the matter pointless. That is a piss poor analogy btw!

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    Unbelievable you say you would have no lockdown Awagwego, the herd strategy was abandoned very quickly as it became obvious what a disaster it would be. Indeed the initial death toll for the UK was being discussed at the outset of this pandemic at between 5 to 6000, we are more then 18000 dead already not including care home figures and home deaths. What would possess you to think no lockdown would be a sensible approach, you sound like a blowhard American, ” come on let’s all get the country reopened, let’s take the hit, we can show this mother f***** virus who’s boss, we are Americans”. That’s the sort of jingoistic crap some of those dumbos come out with, please tell me your brain doesn’t work like that Awaywego FFS.

    #175889

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    Doing their best?

    #175898

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    sweden arnt having a lockdown so its not so way out ironawe,but you know from day one ive said the cure is worse than the virus , because life after covid has to be life and not just existence, the forecasts are dire an estimated 100,000,000, more will have famine, the death tolls from cancer through lack of diagnosis more than that will die from covid,and on and on and on.my family alone are awaiting one brain scan from march, urine tests,blood tests, two needing a dentist, and one urgent need to see a vascular specialist all which have been put on the back burner.

    #175906

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    Mr truthful Hancock said on last night’s briefing that the NHS was open for business for all other services. Are you suggesting that he is lying?

    450 cancer deaths per day in the UK. Removing lockdown will kill 1,000s and more every day. The NHS will fail to cope. People will die without treatment as they are in care homes and in the community (the Government can’t tell us how many – either they don’t know the number or they are not telling us).

    1000s dying every day in hospitals will make the availability of treatment for other conditions far worse than they are now!!

    Why is it so difficult for you to understand?

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    #175908

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    Sweden aren’t in lockdown, but have had it worse than neighbouring nations with similar population densities, and many Swedes have taken it upon themselves to self-isolate anyway. The USA bungled their response, didn’t enforce many precautions until it was too late, so were acting as if there was no lockdown for too long, and are in a bad place. Somehow these cases don’t convince me that it would be worth risking out health system to collapse just so you can go to the pubs and shops, and convince yourself that you’re doing the right thing for the economy.

    The warnings of a famine are dire. However, those forecasted to be impacted are not the Brits. This is not to play down those at risk in countries likely to be affected (those in poorer countries where famine is already a large risk), but let’s not use it to justify putting British lives at risk from coronavirus when famine risk is far more acute.

    There may well be delays for those who need to be hospitalised for other reasons, and anyone going through such has my deepest sympathies. However, resources are stretched and what is the alternative? If we cause situations in which coronavirus can rise, hospitals will require more people to be in care. There are no easy solutions and anyone pretending there is doesn’t fully grasp the situation. People needing care for cancer may be frustrated in this situation with delays to treatment, but what’s the alternative? Ignore coronavirus patients, so that they may die instead? Bear in mind that coronavirus is contagious so ignorance of this is likely to see this proliferate through society and make the situation worse. Being carefree with this would only be self-defeating. Yes, other causes of treatment in hospitals may be impacted, but they’re only going to be impacted more if we are careless.

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    #175928

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    well thank you for that so its f the cancer patients then, f my relative who needs a brain scan then there not looking for the easter bunny you know,on the economy i am pensioner so iam alright jack, its for the younger element who are going take the hit my family and yours.

    #175929

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    It’s not about that Awaywego and you know it, it’s about the bigger picture and what is best overall for the nation and everyone in it. Stop being so bloody insular in your approach and think things through in a more logical way, less of gunslinger approach, this thing is waiting for someone to drop more of bollock then they have already, it doesn’t do reasoning or compassion and it has to be fought in the most logical way possible.

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    #175930

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    No, that’s not what I said. I said that increased numbers from coronavirus will cause delays. We should minimise delays, but with the resources this may not be possible with the resources available. You are suggesting that we don’t lockdown, increase the likelihood of coronavirus transmission and cause the deaths of thousands. Does this mean that you think we should sod their luck?

    Like I say, there are no easy solutions, which means I acknowledge that there will be repercussions from the lockdown, but the alternative is far worse with far more dead.

    I cannot possibly comment on the situation of your relative, I have zero knowledge of the situation other than it being delayed potentially due to coronavirus. If it is, it will be due to the stretched nature of hospital resources and unfortunate needs of prioritisation. The problem isn’t with them treating coronavirus patients, but with an overstretched health system (and bear in mind that if the health system is overstretched there is nothing immediate they can do now other than delay). I’d suggest you focus your attention here rather than complain about means to stop coronavirus. As I said, increasing the likelihood of coronavirus spread will only worsen the situation and increase delays.

    #175945

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    ironawe i thought it was me who was looking at the bigger picture but he ho.

    #175948

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    Why is lockdown suspended every Thursday at 8pm? Crowds at scunny hospital, more police there than a scunny home game.

    #175950

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    It is always so easy to assess the situation afterwords, this is a completely new virus, and there has to be a lot of guess work to be taken, what more can you do but take advice from the top experts.

    It is so bloody easy to just moan and moan, there are five or SIX on here that have a degree in moaning, just read any subject in the non-football section and say no more.

    Many saying that the government is doing wrong, but no valid suggestions on what they would do, lets just leave it to the experts, they are not always correct, but their advice must be better than ours, as I stated before, this virus will go on and on at least untill 2021, and it will change many peoples lives in the UK, what with restrictions, job losses, money shortages (this furloghing cannot go on forever), loss of savings, loss of close friends and many other aspects of life. I just popped down to Tesco in Barton at ten to eight and there is a bloody 30 people line outside waiting for customers to leave before anyone can go in, this is normal right now. The bakers was the same this morning, nine customers in a long line waiting, I sat there for over 15 minutes before a guy came out with a bloody shipping order, then there was eight.

    But this is now normal, so no point in moaning is there.

    #175956

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    No point in going to the shops twice a day either.

    It’s our time.

    #175959

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    Why is lockdown suspended every Thursday at 8pm? Crowds at scunny hospital, more police there than a scunny home game.

    It’s not. Most people go out their doors to clap. There are cases where people abuse it, such as going to Westminster Bridge, but this should be stopped.

    The curve is flattening, which shows that the intended effect of the lockdown is working. Meanwhile in Sweden it keeps going up. I am pleased we didn’t follow their route with our population dynamics.

    #175962

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    The issue isn’t so much about what the government is doing now BS, more about what they didn’t do in the immediate run up to March and before that. Having said, it’s a shambles at present too. No one’s saying a Labour government would be dealing with it any better right now either.

    #175973

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    Many saying that the government is doing wrong, but no valid suggestions on what they would do,

    Wrong!

    I for one of the SIX have said they are doing the right things (unlike Awaywego but you don’t single out him) BUT, and it’s a big but that has cost lives, too late in the day to be fully effective. Which they continue to do. Communication has been poor. Instructions ambiguous and figures distorted.

    Greece. You know, that bankrupt Mediterranean country that is way behind the UK and one of the reasons kippers voted for Brexit.

    Well they have dealt with the crisis far better than we have.

    Mrs NI’s new hero Jacinda Ardern has done a real leadership job in NZ –

    https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/610237/

    In Morecambe and Wise fashion; we done the right things but not necessarily in the right order.

    It’s not about moaning (which you’re far better at than us six anyway – see the football board!) it’s about questioning why the outbreak has been worse in this country than others.

    As I said before. We are entitled to do this.

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