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That Tweet certainly highlights the hypocrisy Siderite, and whilst I agree there may well be better examples he could have used, I think we should also remember it was a Tweet from a football presenter / pundit, not an Oxford Union delivery. I understand the criticisms regarding the Tweet content but don’t really appreciate how bringing him up on this particular point is helpful. I’d rather focus on what he was responding to than a, perhaps, clumsy example. I’m also not sure about using the term ‘genocidal language’ to describe his Tweet content, but excuse my ignorance if it’s the case it’s an academic term.
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Perhaps Lineker was referring to the insidious nature of German propaganda in the early 1930’s, they didn’t come out straight away saying put all Jews in death camps and burn their homes down but rather compering the Jews to ” an enemy within”. Later on they began portraying Jews as rats working their way into society in cinema film reels and trying to take over in an underhand way. Despite Lineker not using the best language in this case to accuse him in the extremes that have been hurled at him by Braverman and her ilk is unfair IMO. Whilst Sunak and Hunt have both said it is up to the BBC to settle the Lineker matter, the right wing of the Tory party and their language since his reinstatement at the BBC say otherwise.
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You could say it shows a general lack of knowledge of a wide scope of history.
Quite so, but as I said this is the history popularised in books, films and television. It always amuses be when yet another documentary or drama is made about the Tudor dynasty. It’s almost as though nothing much happened in between the death of Elizabeth I and WW2!
The fact that we British invented the concentration camp during the Boer War is seldom mentioned. Or that the biggest act of mass genocide was perpetrated not by Germany but by Belgium!
Would we have had the same furore if Lineker had tweeted about the policies of Leopold II? Of course not.
But let’s not forget that the tweet was about the language used, not the resultant atrocities. And in that respect he was right.
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I’m sure Bucks will correct the record and start a new thread “the Tories have just cancelled themselves”, backdated to 2016.
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We’re all interpreting his meaning Heath. I interpreted it without a direct reference to the Holocaust but I appreciate that others don’t interpret it that way. Personally I don’t think this is about being right or wrong regarding the content of the post; it’s two differing interpretations and it’s messy. I would take issue with someone telling me my interpretation was wrong, but respect their thoughts and views on it, and vice versa.
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And you said not far off me being like Gurney’s description of you being dim.
I wasn’t calling you pompous for disagreeing; more straw manning. I was calling you pompous for “expecting better of me” and your recent outburst about engaging. In which case, how can I engage with you when you yourself misinterpret what I say to make out I am being something I am not?
You are trying to portray yourself as measured, but cannot even comprehend how you are just misrepresenting me at every opportunity. Which is not fair and just an attempt to make out I am being unreasonable. If that’s your argument I flip it back to you and am happy for you to stay in your own echo chamber where all the ‘very reasonable’ people all think that spurious conspiracies are some measured point.
I may not be perfect, I perhaps should have said you are being unmeasured on this when I first said it, but neither are you. Your tone and expressions of how you expect better than me were what prompted the pompous accusation, not disagreement. I have responded in turn, because people lecturing others when displaying poor behaviour is a bugbear of mine and I will call it out so far as I see fit. However, I am sure this will fall on deaf ears and I will get more smug condescension.
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