The true cost of Torynomics

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/12/revealed-the-30bn-cost-of-liz-trusss-disastrous-mini-budget
Remember none of this money bought anything,it just disappeared, nobody was any better off than the few minutes before the Tories grand plan.It wasn’t an accident either,this is their entire fiscal policy and deeply held core belief.Only idiots would vote for them ,

[Gurnelista]

And many who did so last time were / are northerners and elderly, for whom the party has done nothing but make things worse – through inflation, reduced benefits, chaotic hospitals, fewer doctors, understaffed care homes, lower pensions, longer waiting times for ambulances and police.. it does beg the question as to why those profoundly dependent on the state would vote for a party dedicated to making it smaller.

[Iron-awe]

That was always the question to alcy but his disdain for the Labour Party was more important then the lack of help he was receiving from the state under the Tories, a truly strange one. Cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind.

[Gurnelista]

Aye, it applies to a lot of the forelock-tuggers up here, where forelocks tend to be very long….

It’s a strange thing, and quite a British one. People vote for all kinds of daft reasons, but maybe this has its roots in class and a way of thinking which says ‘I identify as middle-class so I should vote Tory’ or ‘The Tories were born to rule, unlike that Labour Party hoi polloi, which are no better than me’ or something similar, even though it means they’ll make themselves worse off.

Turkeys and Chrismas spring to mind.

[bartonscorpion]

I my opinion, it is totally wrong for each of the parties to be continually at each others throets, thats why nothing ever gets done, why the hell don’t they try and work together on one or two things, the country is a total mess, and like SUFC, will never get any better. Presently the normal working subjects are struggling just to live, gas/elect costs are out of our control, I now live alone and my gas/elect is averaging £8-50 per day, food goes up weekly (well it does at Tesc’s), not by a few pence, but 20 or 30p each time, diesel is now £80 to fill up your car, and any poor sod with a mortgage, has no idea what is going to cost when their present mixed period ends, and as for young people, how the hell can they ever get a small house?? The worst thing now is that this bloody clown Hunt is trying to balance the books in one swoop, after year after year of borowwing. Thursday is going to see Hunt take more tax from workers, and make cuts to all spending (sorry not all spending, there will be nothing taken off the £15 billion we give to other countries).
At the end of the day, the worst spending and draw on tax payers money is the 2 trillion pounds paid out in civil servants pensions, yes the retired members of parliament, the NHS, the fire service, the armed forces, the teachers, and the many others that have retired after earning good money most of their lives, the average working man and women are having to find this vast yearly burden.
If you just watch the clowns that sit in the Parliament and the House of Lords, mainly talking about the boat people in accomodation that is short of being five star, never a word that they have been living in cardboard boxes in France and that they are illegal invaders that have no right what so ever to be in Britain, that’s why more and more of the dossers are arriving (41,000 this year) at another cost ofover £6 million per day, this country has gone bloody mad. Not touched on the strikes that are coming up,which will again hit the working man by even more price increaces. And the climate changes, Britain must reach zero by 2050, whilst Russia and and China are still building new coal burning Power Stations and opening up new coal mines, so just keep paying guys, Hunt willmsort it all out on Thursday, at another big cost to the working men and women.

[Siderite]

How do they work together when there are fundamental disagreements with the path forward? Labour won’t be able to criticise how the Tories have run if they have a foot in their plan? The same would be said of the reverse. Also, the Tories would say it all went wrong because of Labour sabotage. The incentives aren’t there and they never will be for something like this.

The only time it’s possible is during an external threat, like in WWII.

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that’s just how US politics works, it stalls stuff badly,nothing ever changes

[Iron-awe]

If you want parties to work together then perhaps a change in the voting system would address that, if you had a permanently hung parliament then something would have to give eventually. The problem is political parties have their own agenda and will not change from there stance or their ideology unless pushed into a desperate corner through some stupid action in government that has caused a near disaster. Very sad, human nature possibly the ruination of most things in life that go tits up.

[bartonscorpion]

Siderite wrote:

How do they work together when there are fundamental disagreements with the path forward? Labour won’t be able to criticise how the Tories have run if they have a foot in their plan? The same would be said of the reverse. Also, the Tories would say it all went wrong because of Labour sabotage. The incentives aren’t there and they never will be for something like this.

The only time it’s possible is during an external threat, like in WWII.

So what you are saying siderite is, let things just carry on like the present, and argue continually without an answer to anything, actualy that is what happens now!! This Hunt guy is going to sting the working people on Thursday and state that he is correcting previous peoples errors, who are also members of his own party, it is not possible to sort things out in one swoop, Britain has been borowing for many years, so why try and sort it out in one go.

Start by cutting foreign aid from £15 billion to £3 billion a year.
Stop these illegal drop outs and drug pushers, and send them back to their country or jail them, it is not the answer to put them into five star hotels and feed them, and fix their medican needs, when Britains cannot get to see a doctor, they are ILLEGAL invaders of our country. What kind of message is being sent to them when we have a fleet of Lifeboats at sea bringing them to Dover in the thousands, then making tax payers pay for their keep. The country in fecked up.

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Costs infinitely less than Liz Truss who’s getting a pay off for costing the country’s home owners and pensioners £90billion in one day. As long as theirs idiots prepared to compare desperate people to “invaders” .If you want to see an incasion look at Ukraine,then the Tories who are bought and paid for by Russian money will get away with it

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Iron-awe

[Siderite]

bartonscorpion wrote:

Siderite wrote:

How do they work together when there are fundamental disagreements with the path forward? Labour won’t be able to criticise how the Tories have run if they have a foot in their plan? The same would be said of the reverse. Also, the Tories would say it all went wrong because of Labour sabotage. The incentives aren’t there and they never will be for something like this.

The only time it’s possible is during an external threat, like in WWII.

So what you are saying siderite is, let things just carry on like the present

I am saying that this is not a workable solution and Labour aren’t going to be as daft as sign their name to Tory policies then take the blame. If you think Labour would do a better job on the economy, well that’s one reason to vote them in next time.

[Iron-awe]

BS going down the ” blame the boat people route “, unbelievable. Have you ever considered writing for the Daily Mail BS 🤔

[TwoWrights]

He appears to have missed the fact that this year’s foreign aid budget is not £15b, but £11.5b, down from last year’s £14.5b. A mere piss in the bucket, given what was spaffed on covid.

[Northumbiron]

And half of what Loopy Liz made disappear with her mini budget!

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[Deereyme66]

We’re paying for that already, and a load of new bills arriving from tomorrow!

[bartonscorpion]

Iron-awe wrote:

BS going down the ” blame the boat people route “, unbelievable. Have you ever considered writing for the Daily Mail BS

No I have not iron-awe, my spelling is terrible, but are you really that happy that our hotels are beinmg filled by Albanians, many of whom are now part of the drug pushers, they are not desperate people, they are just flocking to our country simply because others will not have the drop outs, no other country would rescue them, bring them into their country, feed them, put them up in nice hotels and probably give them a cash living allowance, but our tax payers will foot the bill of probably near on £10 million a day. The government appears to be sending them in thousands up North, so I hopew Scunthorpe get their share of them, might be good to put them in the Frod Roads area, then many of them would probably request a return to their own country. One good thing being that winter is approaching, and the seas will be rough, the government might then fly them here.

[Iron-awe]

As usual BS you miss the bigger picture and concentrate on attacking the less fortunate, was it ever thus. Thankfully the modern generation have a different way of thinking then yours, time moves on for everyone.

[Northumbiron]

The number of refugees granted asylum in 2021 was:

France 137,015
Germany 132,680
Spain 70,985
Italy 43,550
Greece 37,285
Belgium 21,030

In March of this year there were around 48,000 applications for asylum in the UK.

To say “they’re all coming here” is a nonsense.

[Deereyme66]

‘that wanted everyone to use bikes instead of cars, in all of their cycle lanes’

I mean, bikes in cycle lanes? The world’s gone mad BS! 🤣

[TwoWrights]

Anonymous wrote:

TwoWrights wrote:

He appears to have missed the fact that this year’s foreign aid budget is not £15b, but £11.5b, down from last year’s £14.5b. A mere piss in the bucket, given what was spaffed on covid.

Two-rights, it is a lot more than the £11.5 billion you state, the Hull mad Labour brigade got vasts ammounts of government cash for accepting thousands of drop outs and putting them into hotels, the same local government that wanted everyone to use bikes instead of cars, in all of their cycle lanes that were paid for by free money from parliament (tax payers), traffic is now at standstill with empty cycle lanes instead of roads.

Must have been some other Labour leader that complained to the government about refugees been housed in hotels in central Hull, oh hang in on it WAS the one from Hull. The same council though that HAD to accept the cash for cycle lanes, or miss out on extra cash for long needed repairs to three of the main roads in Hull.

[Gurnelista]

Thing is BS, you’re playing the government’s game here. As an older person living up north, you’re probably quite if not very dependent on the state for a pension, for hospitals, doctors, nurses and maybe social care too, as well as emergency services like ambulances if you’re suddenly unwell, or police if you have a burglary, etc. You also want your kids to have opportunities to travel, work, and generally make their way in the world.

Because all these are being cut to the bone or no longer available, you’re basically being attacked by your own government. Your health will suffer, your security will suffer, your finances will suffer, as will the wellbeing of those around you.

Of course, the government doesn’t want you to complain, particularly about them, after 12 years of incompetence. It would rather you moaned about something else….. like foreign workers who want to come here to do the kinds of jobs mentioned above!

But this perspective isn’t one you’ll get in the distorted lens of the right wing media… no, they’ll encourage you to look away from parliament and focus on ‘illegal’ kids in dinghies, rather than how much the government is attacking you and your community with economic incompetence and terrorism.

Think about it BS, when you’re walking past the boarded-up town centre, and see people scurrying along from the charity shop to the pound shop to the food bank to the warm bank, think just how much it resembles a war zone. These are the real problems in your life, and they have their origin not in far away countries, but in Downing St.

[Northumbiron]

The Tories are doing a great PR job.

For the Labour Party!

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Northumbiron wrote:

The Tories are doing a great PR job.

For the Labour Party!

the labour party certainly are not, they’ll win by default.

[Siderite]

Just like they did with useless opposition in 1997, 2001, 2005, every other time they have won and 2019 against the useless Johnson. Oh, wait.

[Gurnelista]

It’s so often the case that the party in power lose elections, rather than the opposition winning them.

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[bartonscorpion]

Gurnelista wrote:

It’s so often the case that the party in power lose elections, rather than the opposition winning them.

I would fully agree with this Gurnelista, I would think that there was a 15 to 20% swing to Labour after the Truss handling of her few weeks in number 10.

But why do so many Brits have no problem with all these thousands of drop outs invading our shores, most are 20 to 25 year old MALES, many will end up peddling drugs, in fact many are already recruited in France before they arrive here. Our NHS, doctors, hospitals and jails cannot handle our own people never mind another 100,000 of these people, yes that probably includes the one’s that hide in lorries, do you think it is fine to have a fleet of lifeboats at sea that actually bring them into Dover, do you think it is fine to put them in hotels at a cost to tax payers of about £8 to £10 million A DAY?, by the way Northumbiron, your 48,000 figure does not include the 125,000 of them awaiting assylem to be granted. As I said, direct them to Scunthorpe, they appear to want them, in fact when Swann shortly liquidates SUFC, they could build sa lot of accomodation down at GP, I think planning permission has already been granted for building flats, I don’t think the build has started as yet, but they could possibly be placed in cardboard boxes like they have been living in in France. France do not put them in 5* hotels, they just help them to access UK waters, and our government give France £65 million to see that they leave France in the fleet of rubber boats that are mainly supplied by Germany, but Britain are the daft twats that are inspecting the temp receiving stations in Kent to make sure it meets first class status, they should save tax payers money and ship them straight to Scunny where they are wanted, and if any of them commit a crimb, make them attend three Scunny home games as punishment.

[Iron-awe]

It really is like drawing teeth try to explain common sense to BS, thats the old man effect i guess.

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[Northumbiron]

“by the way Northumbiron, your 48,000 figure does not include the 125,000 of them awaiting assylem to be granted.”

Yes it does! Read the post, then do the maths.

Then look at the fig for France and Germany. And take a longer look at Belgium with a population a sixth of ours.

I repeat “They” are not sending “Them” all over here, and we are not overrun.

Try looking at things objectively for a change.

[Gurnelista]

bartonscorpion wrote:

Gurnelista wrote:

It’s so often the case that the party in power lose elections, rather than the opposition winning them.

I would fully agree with this Gurnelista, I would think that there was a 15 to 20% swing to Labour after the Truss handling of her few weeks in number 10.

But why do so many Brits have no problem with all these thousands of drop outs

Because they don’t inhale nonsense from the right-wing media, who all want you to blame the foreigner rather than Tory incompetence which they have ushered into power in the first place.

Let me put it another way – why are you so concerned about people who weren’t actually born in the UK, when the kind of problems besetting people like yourself in North Lincs. are the chaotic health service, emergency services, boarded-up shops, inflation and energy bills, and the lack of support given by the government to people like yourself, often through a labour shortage which immigration can mitigate.

Knackered northern towns are beginning to resemble war zones, and you, your family and community are being terrorised by this government’s incompetence and negligence. Yet, you seem unwilling to call them out on it. Why?

[bartonscorpion]

As I gave said Gurnelisra, this government is shite, but 90% of those sitting in parliament are nothing short of being bloody clowns, have you listened to them on an afternoon on TV.

So Two Wrights, I see today that the Humber View Hotel in North Ferriby have made 40 of your Yorkie pais redundent today, because they are changing the running system to enable the Hotel to accomodate 77 of these ALBANIAN AND

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