The Tory, Oops, I mean Labour Conference is Going Well

[Bucksiron]

I can forgive Boris anything. The most important thing he achieved wasn’t Brexit but finishing the hard Labour left for a very long time.

Frankly, I could live with a Starmer government. The question is whether you lot can? The National Anthem, business-friendly, fiscally responsible and refusing to support daft strikes. How does it feel, Gurny, supporting what to all intents and purposes is the Tory party in disguise?

[Siderite]

God. Don’t you start with the claims that anything not Corbyn Labour is actually Tory. There is nothing Tory about singing the anthem and not being performatively socialist. It’s been that way since Attlee and before. It’s bad enough when Owen Jones and co groan on about it.

To be fair, pretty much anyone could have beaten Corbyn and I thought that Boris hadn’t achieved Brexit, given that the narrative from some is that we need to ensure it’s done after predictably reneging on triumphs of what a fantastic deal it was.

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Deereyme66

[Iron-awe]

Good old Buck’s, resurfaces after ages away and resorts to type, so funny.

[Deereyme66]

You clearly haven’t heard the thinking on re-nationalisation if you think the current Labour Party are Tories in disguise Bucks. But that’s not why you’ve resurfaced is it, to stick to the facts? Plain as day from your goading of Gurney what you’re up to: a desperate attempt to give your Party an ounce of credibility and mud sling. How long I wonder before we get all that crap we thought we’d left behind about being bullying, abusive and insulting? Which day have you got the straw man arguments and gaslighting lined up for? We’ve moved on from that since you went away, who’d have thunked it? Suggest you move on from all that too – save us all the tedium. 17 points behind in the polls and increasing by the day. Sweat on lad!

[Bucksiron]

Not sweating at all, Deerey. In fact the complete opposite. Labour thinks it’s won the next election already. What was it Gurny came out with: “The Tories are finished”. We all know what happened next.

Obviously things aren’t going well and it would be stupid to say otherwise. But the plain truth is that this would be a Labour government I could live with, nationalisation or otherwise. I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.

That said, I wouldn’t write-off a Tory victory at the next election. If Labour seriously believes that piling billions into green energy is going to create loads of jobs and prosperity then it’s whistling in the wind. A lot can still happen in two years.

[Siderite]

I don’t think Starmer thinks it’s in the bag. A lot has been said over the last few days of avoiding complacency, but please forgive Labour supporters for being happy. We’re allowed to have some optimism. Gurny doesn’t represent the Labour party.

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Deereyme66

[Deereyme66]

‘Labour thinks it’s won the next election already’

No no, it doesn’t. I can assure you of that. I’m sure that’s a convenient thought for Tories to hang on to, hoping complacency sets in but it’s far from the truth. Good progress is being made though and it feels like there could be change in the air because, let’s face it, people are only going to put up with so much. They’re not going to protest enough to change much but they’ll vote at the ballot box and a general election is more imminent by the week with your mates in charge

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Siderite

[Deereyme66]

‘But the plain truth is that this would be a Labour government I could live with, nationalisation or otherwise. I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.’

Okay, couple of points of order:

‘I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.”

Wrong end of the stick again. Frankly I wouldn’t give a damn whether you’d be on board or not. But hey! The more the merrier. I merely pointed out re-nationalisation as an example of how your ‘Tories in disguise’ claim is so wide off the mark. That’s before we even get on to realistic plans for the NHS and the inevitable income boost to local authorities, particularly those red wall ones your Party has starved and shat on, and other traditional Labour seats.

‘A Labour government I could live with’. So you’re suggesting if it didn’t meet your approval, you’d do what exactly? Leave the country? Is it the tried and tested ‘my way or the highway’ approach again?

[Northumbiron]

Bucksiron wrote:

What was it Gurny came out with: “The Tories are finished”. We all know what happened next.

What was it you came out with: Something along the lines of the economy was safer in Conservative hands?

Clearly it isn’t, and when the BoE has to step in and tell the PM and Chancellor they’ve cocked up big-time it’s more than just a tad concerning.

[Deereyme66]

And apparently the IMF is a left wing institution according to a leading Tory clown. You couldn’t make it up! How long before they realise that increasing numbers of people are getting savvy to their accusations of being ‘woke’ and left wing / neo-Marxist in a feeble attempt to deflect justified criticism? I’m afraid piss taking can only stretch so far.

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

‘But the plain truth is that this would be a Labour government I could live with, nationalisation or otherwise. I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.’

Okay, couple of points of order:

‘I might even be in favour of some of that. Sorry to disappoint you.”

Wrong end of the stick again. Frankly I wouldn’t give a damn whether you’d be on board or not. But hey! The more the merrier. I merely pointed out re-nationalisation as an example of how your ‘Tories in disguise’ claim is so wide off the mark. That’s before we even get on to realistic plans for the NHS and the inevitable income boost to local authorities, particularly those red wall ones your Party has starved and shat on, and other traditional Labour seats.

‘A Labour government I could live with’. So you’re suggesting if it didn’t meet your approval, you’d do what exactly? Leave the country? Is it the tried and tested ‘my way or the highway’ approach again?

Misrepresenting everyone’s points to suit his agenda seems to be his aim.

On the other thread, me saying net zero didn’t cause the specific downturn in the pound, and the immediate consequences of that, is me arguing about the effect of policies on the energy prices to begin with!

Debate with Bucks is literally impossible.

[Deereyme66]

Bizarrely, he’d have furthered his cause better by hiding his light under that bushel a bit more ;)

[Deereyme66]

‘Debate with Bucks is literally impossible.’

T’was ever thus.

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TwoWrights

[Heath]

So after several months away the tormented one decides to return with a couple of digs at the supposed tormentor. I will leave it to Gurny to complete the diagnosis of the “victim”.

[TwoWrights]

Bucksiron wrote:

I can forgive Boris anything.

Many will never forgive him having piss ups with his mates while they couldn’t visit a sickrelative in hospital, and if they died then had to arrange a funeral where only six could attend.
Abridged version, Boris was is and always will be a cun…

[Deereyme66]

The Tory conference, oops I mean pork and cheese conference starts Saturday – it won’t go well. Get the popcorn in!

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