The tories energy crisis caused by corrupt and bad planning?

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Part 1 , Shut down the coal mines,pretending it’s about coal being dirty and a fuel of the past,(recent events show that was bs)
Part 2,a consequence of the above was to make energy companies more needed therefore more attractive to the markets.
Part 3 sell of energy companies,tell it’s good because it will create a market and competion to drive down prices.
Part 4 set up a quango to protect prices and profits,call it a watchdog .

You then have to forget all that and blame Labour for everything

[Bucksiron]

Part 1 , Shut down the coal mines,pretending it’s about coal being dirty and a fuel of the past,(recent events show that was bs)

The unions shot themselves in the foot. As is now happening with the railways, if an industry can’t be run efficiently then it will price itself out of the market. This is what happens when you weaponise the workers for political reasons and it’s one reason why socialism never works. If an industry can’t create a profit then it will die in any political system. Whether you like it or not this is just a simple economic fact, again, regardless of the political system.

As for what’s happening now, you couldn’t make it up. As a result of net zero targets more coal is being burned than ever, despite it being a very dirty fuel.

Part 2,a consequence of the above was to make energy companies more needed therefore more attractive to the markets.

Large amounts of energy will always be needed in any decent society. What’s more this energy has to be affordable, reliable and secure. The unions ensured that coal was neither affordable nor reliable. Had they worked with the politicians the mines could have been kept open and prospered, but the politics ensured this couldn’t happen.

Part 3 sell of energy companies,tell it’s good because it will create a market and competion to drive down prices.

Free market competition is by far the best way to ensure prices remain as low as possible. What people fail to appreciate is the vast amounts of money required to invest in energy, from source to supply. Why would any energy company invest in the future when it’s told by government that it has no future.

Part 4 set up a quango to protect prices and profits,call it a watchdog.

Come up with a crazy scheme called net zero, which means existing energy companies have no future. At the same time plough trillions of tax-payers’ money into incredibly inefficient, unreliable and insecure systems, which takes us back to where we started from.

If renewable energy was so cheap then market forces would have taken it up a long time ago. It isn’t and they didn’t. Now it’s being forced on people by ideologs and politicians, with the only thing that will ever achieve net zero being the understanding of the engineering and economics behind such hare-brained and nonsensical schemes.

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“Free market competition is by far the best way to ensure prices remain as low as possible” it’s being in the free market that has made thy prices go rampant, isn’t it?
“The unions ensured that coal was neither affordable nor reliable. Had they worked with the politicians the mines could have been kept open and prospered, but the politics ensured this couldn’t happen.” LOl,they were shutting them that was why there was a strike to try save their jobs,stop trying to rewrite history

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[Northumbiron]

Bucks’s post could have been written by Thatcher or Tebbit.

Good effort that man. I closed my eyes and could almost hear the voice of Billy Bragg!

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[Bucksiron]

You’re the one re-writing history, Fans. In the 1980s the unions were holding businesses to ransom and refusing necessary changes to improve efficiency and productivity. Print unions were a classic example as new technology was desperately needed while the unions wanted to continue with practices dating back decades.

As for the miners’ strike, Scargill should have listened to Deerey. The coalmines were, like so many industries at the time, very inefficient and closures were increasing. Scargill thought he could do to Thatcher what the unions had done to Callaghan in the late 1970s, but as I recall no ballot was held to support the strike by the members. I couldn’t stand Thatcher but there was no doubt the unions were supporting completely outdated working practices and something had to be done. Now we’re seeing history repeating itself with outdated working practices on the railways that desperately need to be reformed.

As for the free market making energy prices go rampant, you couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s the Government that is forcing net zero on the markets. If wind energy was as efficient as being claimed then we wouldn’t be needing the gas and coal now being used to prop-up the failing renewables; and if net zero wasn’t being forced on the markets we’d still have the investment necessary to keep the gas flowing at an affordable price.

What’s more, it’s highly likely that Putin would never have been able to afford his invasion of Ukraine had he not been in a position to hold the West to ransom as a result of insane net zero policies.

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Did they not claim there were closing mines because coal was dirty? If you answer No,you’re lying.
You’re net zero theme would hold water if the market wasn’t sending prices sky high,,if we still owned owned our own gas it wouldn’t be a free for all right now.The sell off and closing of pits to make a purely political point, is to blame just like Truss economics ,its bad for the country and all Tory.Net Zero didn’t stop us storing gas,profit margins did.Net Zero didn’t make South Yorkshire an economic wasteland,Tories(you) did.You are evil

[Siderite]

Well, those last 3 words will definitely help matters.

[Northumbiron]

Whatever the reason, it was done badly.

Miners were given little notice of closure and minimal help.

In the summer of 2007 Germany instigated a ten year programme to wind down unprofitable mines: –

“The German government is set to phase out unprofitable coal mines by 2018, according to a plan agreed to by the government and unions in August. The plan does not come cheaply; the federal and state governments will provide some 21.6 billion euros to help miners with the transition.”

Bit of a difference eh?

[Gurnelista]

That’s true. When the government withdrew support back in the 80s there was little notice and no exit plan. It was like the withdrawal from Iraq, and the result was similar. Descent into disorder, in-fighting a breakdown of community, and ultimately a decimated, depressed area with no real future. Hopelessness and misery sit side by side, and local folk are easy prey for demagogues; in the case of South Yorks., ones like Farage.

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Northumbiron

[Northumbiron]

Indeed.

The words “agreed to by the government and unions” are telling too!

[Iron-awe]

Gurnelista wrote:

That’s true. When the government withdrew support back in the 80s there was little notice and no exit plan. It was like the withdrawal from Iraq, and the result was similar. Descent into disorder, in-fighting a breakdown of community, and ultimately a decimated, depressed area with no real future. Hopelessness and misery sit side by side, and local folk are easy prey for demagogues; in the case of South Yorks., ones like Farage.

Rather like when ” we ” left India, no proper exit strategy there and look at the resulting death toll, mind you it was also down to that good old mainstay of our world, religion but our government of the day knew what would happen and didn’t give a toss. Mountbatten took all the plaudits for basically being an utter a***hole, another disgraceful episode in our glorious colonial past.

[Bucksiron]

I completely agree, Gurny, which is one reason I couldn’t stand Thatcher. It was handled extremely badly. None of that means the unions were blameless. They, too, have to accept some responsibility but, of course, the left just blames the Tory scum for everything.

Now, apparently, not only am I scum but also evil. Talk about moronic; and why? First, for pointing out one of, if not the most basic law of economics regarding supply and demand. Second, because I was personally responsible, apparently for closing the mines (at the time I wasn’t even voting Tory). I guess that makes you responsible for the millions who died in the Soviet Gulags, Fans? Just how ridiculous can anyone get. Then we have IA chipping in with the partitioning of India, which for some bizarre reason is linked to the OP?! Even more ridiculous.

Of course, the wonderful Germans would never do anything like that. Well, then, why don’t you lot clear off to live in Germany or somewhere else in the EU. After all, the EU isn’t racist so I’m sure they’ll happily take you; and if not just bung a few million euros in a brown bag and everything will be fine.

Heavens, talk about the usual suspects. It just gets worse and worse.

[Siderite]

“Well, then, why don’t you lot clear off to live in Germany or somewhere else in the EU”

Giving one aspect where Germany may be better doesn’t mean they hate their own country. It is possible to think that we have something to learn from other countries while thinking there are some good aspects about our own.

Personally, I think there’s a lot to be proud of in the UK. However, there are some things in decline, which I do blame the Tories for. This does not make me suspect, a UK hater or some straw man critic.

[Deereyme66]

‘Of course, the wonderful Germans would never do anything like that. Well, then, why don’t you lot clear off to live in Germany or somewhere else in the EU. After all, the EU isn’t racist so I’m sure they’ll happily take you; and if not just bung a few million euros in a brown bag and everything will be fine.’

Why the increasing strawmaning? Blimey.

[Deereyme66]

‘Well, then, why don’t you lot clear off to live in Germany or somewhere else in the EU.’

Okay Nige 👍 Attempts to make Remainers appear unpatriotic are so passe.

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