The real meaning of Christmas/Yuletide?

[Northumbiron]

This year we’ve received 51 Christmas cards.

Only two had any Christian content, both being the Three Kings/Wise Men. Five featured Father Christmas and the rest, all 44 of them, had some form of winter scene, mostly animals in the snow.

So it would appear that the vast majority of our friends and relatives look upon it as a celebration of the winter solstice rather than anything religious or indeed the giving of presents.

Anyway, whatever it means to you have a great one.

[Xxx]

Can l say merry christmas still oh I have. Merry christmas to you all

[billpuntonsghost]

Your post is true,but on the day of judgement every knee will bow in front of our saviour before justice is served.Revelation 5:13.

[Siderite]

It’s good to see bpg is in the jolly festive spirit of damnation and hellfire.

[Deereyme66]

[Heath]

How can every knee be bent on the same day? Is there just one day of judgement or a day of judgement every day? If it’s every time sombody dies, I must confess I’ve missed a few knee bending sessions.

[Just Iron]

The traditional Christian explanation to your opening question, Heath .. there is an event ..a day … at the end of time when every life lived is called to account. Death is the portal .. the gateway out of the opportunity to live well and give pleasure to the ‘lifegiver.’
I’m not sure that NIs ‘Christmas Card survey’is so reliable in that I suspect lots of people just buy cards in packs, according to price etc. I do agree that Christmas is a cultural ‘relic’ more infused with a pagan past celebrating the Solstice. Jesus birth was likely at Tabernacles which is early Autumn ..but I nevertheless welcome the warm connections of family and friends that Christmas brings. And even the heightened sense of peace and goodwill that, however temporary for many, can never be a bad thing :)

[Northumbiron]

But JI, people can only buy the cards that the retailers make available to the public.

Is there a plethora of snow scenes (something that is a rarity these days) on cards because it is a faith-neutral image?

Inclusivity must sell better than niche.

[Gurnelista]

NI, if your correspondents are religious, do they always send cards which reflect their sentiments, or do they sometimes send pound shop / charity cards, which may be more politically correct / neutral, either because they (the cards, not your pals) are cheap, or maybe because they take into account that you don’t celebrate Xmas religiously??
We should also consider the text therein. If the card has a neutral snowy image or similar, say a fictitious, rustic country scene, is it always the case that the text inside, assuming there is one, is always non-religious?
The final question is this. Are we overthinking this and just a bit pissed?

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[Just Iron]

A rare gift ..but much appreciated .. a post from you that I can’t fault.

[Iron Age]

Heath wrote:

How can every knee be bent on the same day? Is there just one day of judgement or a day of judgement every day? If it’s every time sombody dies, I must confess I’ve missed a few knee bending sessions.

You’re drifting into the realms of relativity here.
Does time actually exist?

[Xxx]

Just Iron wrote:

A rare gift ..but much appreciated .. a post from you that I can’t fault.

Nobody has ever said that to me it must be christmas

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[Rene Artois]

Talking Turkey – 15 million four month old birds slaughtered every Christmas in the UK.
Save the Turkey… eat duck or goose.
Save all birds & eat plants.

[Just Iron]

Save all the animals and plants ..eat each other.( That’s what seems to be happening amongst some Iron fans.)

[Gurnelista]

Niche is best, you’re right NI.
But I think most of us on here go along with the Christian ethic, just not the mumbo jumbo! Here’s a prayer and a plea.

Our father who art in heaven,
If you’re there…
Tell me
How can American so-called Christians and Jews
Vote Trump?
Supporting a well proven liar,
Rapist, misogynist, and narcissist.
In fact, all the characteristics
Of an anti social personality disorder (a.k.a. psycho).
Good Lord!
These people have allowed their politics to usurp their religion!
Fox news rules
Over the word of God!
Rupert Murdoch bigger
Than Christ Almighty!
How can these folk enter thy Kingdom,
Even in the age of post-truth?
Christ, old Nick’s fires will burn brightly
Unless, oh Lord,
You deliver us from this
Hypocrisy
Of truly biblical proportions.
Amen.

[Siderite]

“How can American so-called Christians and Jews”

The majority of Jews voted for Harris (between 63 and 79% depending on polls).

[Iron-awe]

Siderite wrote:

“How can American so-called Christians and Jews”

The majority of Jews voted for Harris (between 63 and 79% depending on polls).

So it’s the Christians fault then, ah well that figures.

[billpuntonsghost]

Christians throughout the world rejoiced Trump won.The alternative would have been a disaster.

[Northumbiron]

Aye, Christians don’t like to see women in positions of power.

The Bible certainly teaches us that.

[Iron Age]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Christians throughout the world rejoiced Trump won.The alternative would have been a disaster.

I really don’t know where you get that from, apart from white, right wing Christian evangelicals.
And, for some reason, the Tories and Reform, not forgetting Putin.
The man’s a crook.

[64]

other than saying he is,in what way is Trump a Christian?

[Iron-awe]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

Christians throughout the world rejoiced Trump won.The alternative would have been a disaster.

Well Trump is a convicted felon and sex offender so I guess it’s like voting in one of their own which must give you great comfort as a Christian bill.

[Siderite]

For some it will be because they ignore all that because they think he can end abortion. They are willing to turn a blind eye to or deny his vulgarities, his abusive behaviour and unChristian aspects so they can see an end to abortion. Getting rid of gay marriage and other liberal measures brought would help with them too.

It’s why some also see Russia as a bastion of Christianity, despite its authoritarianism, weakening on domestic violence laws, imperialism and war upon others for Putin’s thought that they should be under Russian control. They punish gays and liberal thought and that’s enough for some.

Of course I am talking about a subset of Christians, as there are many who don’t think like this.

[Just Iron]

Just to Gurney and IA. It’s a serious allegation to claim someone is a rapist and a convicted sex offender. Care to check your facts?

[Iron-awe]

Trump guilty for being responsible for sexual assault plus a convicted felon. You can duck and dive and play around with words JI but it’s all there if you care to check, he also says he’s a Christian, couldn’t be much clearer.

[Just Iron]

`fNever convicted of sexual assault IA. (And certainly not of rape!) It’s not about playing with words. Its about what’s actually true. Check your facts before making such serious allegations.

[Siderite]

He was found liable for sexual abuse though and his behaviour is rather sordid. Though, I am aware there are others with below the belt behaviour across other parties too. Bill Clinton being one.

[Just Iron]

He wasn’t convicted of sexual abuse. Facts matter. Otherwise we might find ourselves manifesting the sort of nonsense Gurney exhibits in his poem … calling Trump a liar and then, in the next word, lying about him. Despise his character ..or his politics ..or his mannerisms all you want. Your prerogative. But don’t change facts.

[Siderite]

I haven’t. I didn’t say he was convicted. He was found liable and was ordered to pay money in damages as a result. Facts are what matters and what I have said is a fact.

[Just Iron]

Not a fact. When was this ‘liability’ found and what damages were payed to who?

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