The playing squad

[Northumbiron]

You don’t follow do you? It’s not about you or me. It’s about protecting society as a whole.

If you read what I said above re: I’d feel safer standing, and Ferrite commented that the flip side of this was that it meant groups could congregate on the terrace without social distancing. However, my point is that I could walk away from them if I wasn’t comfortable.

This is exactly how it is in a pub. If I think there are too many people, too close together I can decide to move away or even leave.

Yes, I was in Yorkshire the other weekend and have been to several popular spots over the Bank Holiday just passed. But always I have been in a position where I am well away from others. Some bars and restaurants are superbly well organised to ensure social distancing (usually in areas that get a lot of visitors) others (some local boozers) not so.

This is as much to protect others as it is myself. I have no doubt SUFC will only allow fans back if everything is in place to minimise risk. Until then I’ll monitor the situation carefully.

[WonderGoals]

I think you and awaywego should meet *both wearing face coverings* and have a dust up…settle it the old fashioned way.

[Awaywego]

No way WG when me and NI meet we’re going to hug,and I can’t wàit for that.Further more no deaths in North and East lincs as well as East Yorkshire for three weeks now. Maybe I am missing something here but we have done the stay home mantra, the stay alert mantra,our area as achieved all the goals that were set with the reward of opening up where possible. So please explain why we shouldn’t?, and no wish washy sentiment.

[mistertonmick]

Still awaiting the meeting of Northumbiron an BobbyGmeister.

[Iron-awe]

Awaywego loves playing his ” man of the people” routine, bit like Farage all beer and bollocks but NI is so correct on this it’s embarrassing for our populist friend but like Trump, you just can’t tell him.

[Northumbiron]

Ha ha! Good stuff chaps.

You are missing something AWG. The fact that there’s been so few deaths and intensive care depts are free of cases, is because people are more aware now than in March.

The hot spots are down to folk going gung-ho about getting back out there.

As they say up here “gan canny!”

[WonderGoals]

If you weren’t aware, there was a mass gathering in London, looked to be around 1,000 protesting against the face coverings. People are starting to get a bit pissed off now, can’t really blame people really, the face coverings do naff all.

The only masks to are effective are those carbon filter ones which properly filtrate the air. Wearing a normal dust/face mask is more harmful, less oxygen and more breathing your own breath/carbon dioxide is downright daft.

I’m not saying we all go out, have street parties and be packed like sardines in a tin but fans at our ground should be fine, 9,000 capacity ground and we only get around 2-2500 people anyway.

I agree with awaywego in a sense, things should start moving forward now…it’s dragging a little too long for my liking. People drop like flies of common flu every year, the world doesn’t come to a screeching halt.

I say the authorities should give green light to fans of all sports *governed sensibly* and get the ball rolling. Why deprive the fine people of Scunthorpe a chance to see them romp to winning the league this season.

In the fine words of Delia Smith….

LET’S BE AVINNNNNN YOU !

[Northumbiron]

WonderGoals wrote:

it’s dragging a little too long for my liking

Sadly the rules of virology aren’t the same as those of the EFL!

[Ferrite]

WonderGoals wrote:

The only masks to are effective are those carbon filter ones which properly filtrate the air. Wearing a normal dust/face mask is more harmful, less oxygen and more breathing your own breath/carbon dioxide is downright daft.

I know I shouldn’t bother but it’s important to point out that this is complete bollocks.

[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

WonderGoals wrote:

the face coverings do naff all.

The only masks to are effective are those carbon filter ones which properly filtrate the air. Wearing a normal dust/face mask is more harmful, less oxygen and more breathing your own breath/carbon dioxide is downright daft.

The stupidest thing you’ve ever said and that’s really saying something.

[Awaywego]

I hoped for no wishy washy sentiment NI, “less deaths because we are more aware” the rules of virology wont back that up iam afraid. I have given you facts facts do you dispute them?, like you say its not about you or me were aged ,but i want a club there for my grandkids and you cant expect the swannys of this world to keep all clubs going till the likes of you are ready to return, if scunny speedway can accommodate 600 in this moment in time, then i am sure we can as well, nobody will be forced to attend.

[Northumbiron]

Northumbiron wrote:

I have no doubt SUFC will only allow fans back if everything is in place to minimise risk.

Miss that bit did you?

[cassidystash]

Awaywego wrote:

I hoped for no wishy washy sentiment NI, “less deaths because we are more aware” the rules of virology wont back that up iam afraid.

For those of us unaware can you give us a quick run down on the rules of virology please.

[Awaywego]

Wrong man there Cass you need to ask NI about the rules of virology he’s far more learned than me he was a uni lecturer, But I do know that viruses don’t do sentiment and just because we are more aware the virus won’t take notice of that.

[Northumbiron]

Yes, that was one of my trademark flippant comments.

Basically What I mean is that the virus won’t go away or even become less virulent just because you want to go to the football. So you’ll need to wait for the green light from the club.

No amount of “get back out there!” or “let’s be ‘aving you!” Can change that.

[Ferrite]

Wasn’t “Rules of Virology” an album by The Fall?

[Iron-awe]

Ferrite wrote:

Wasn’t “Rules of Virology” an album by The Fall?

Good chance anybody taking Covid for granted could “Fall” into a wooden overcoat and be oven ready, rather like the Boris brexit deal, dead and gone.

[Awaywego]

Nice to see the test event Cambridge v Carlisle lge2 game are allowing nearly a third of capacity to attend and 1000 in the mickey mouse cup, should suit most lge2 clubs if successful.

[mistertonmick]

I am waiting for the government to admit that the virus was here in December like France, Germany, Italy and America have done after Hospital tests, because the illness going around then wasn’t normal and Hospital deaths and admissions were higher than normal but put down to Pneumonia, the Doctor told me it wasn’t a normal chest infection doing the rounds because it was never going away, and symptoms varied from patient to patient but you couldn’t get rid of the cough and breathing problems when lying down and you had to sleep in the chair most of the time, 7 weeks I had it and lots of other people did as well, some local people have had antibody tests and have got antibodies, but they won’t give you a test unless you are NHS or to do with certain jobs, the doctor has told me unofficially I have had it but though the scientists have said it was here in November the government won’t admit it.

[Iron-awe]

The Government won’t admit to something???? I don’t believe it!!!😂😂😂

[WonderGoals]

Stampy, those fabric face coverings are dog mess.

Northumbiron wrote:

Yes, that was one of my trademark flippant comments.

Basically What I mean is that the virus won’t go away or even become less virulent just because you want to go to the football. So you’ll need to wait for the green light from the club.

No amount of “get back out there!” or “let’s be ‘aving you!” Can change that.

That goes without saying, if you obviously turn up with no permission, they aren’t going to let you in are they ?

I wasn’t implying breaking down the doors at GP and bunkering down in the ground !

[Anonymous]

Now that Bucks has done a runner have we got the armchair expert, WonderGoals to teach us on ‘common sense.’

It’s true that cloth masks are not as good as medical masks, but they are better than no masks at all, especially if used correctly (i.e. washed after use and worn correctly), and cannot be therefore dismissed as dog mess.

As for people rightly protesting. Those protesters consisted of anti-vaxxers pushing their dangerous rubbish which has undermined healthcare to the point that measles has made a comeback, cranks wittering about 5G and a ‘plandemic,’ NWO conspiracy theorists, believers in lizard men and the British Union of Fascists. They were hardly men of the street and shouldn’t be used as credible voices of opinion.

I wonder if Zoe Phin was there?

[Iron Age]

Northumbiron wrote:

WonderGoals wrote:

it’s dragging a little too long for my liking

Sadly the rules of virology aren’t the same as those of the EFL!

Just to clarify, is it the “Rules of the Virus”? Or should it be the “Laws of the Virus”?

[WonderGoals]

Bloodyrubbish, not attempting to “teach” anybody anything, it’s called a difference of a opinion. Instead of getting your panties in a twist, just accept it for what it is.

People may think I’m completely crazy and that’s fine, I wasn’t expecting anybody to agree.

It’s this ridiculous mindset which stops people coming out and saying what they feel/think. This is why everybody nowadays feeling like they’re constantly treading on egg shells.

However ridiculous you deem an opinion, it is only that, an opinion. Freedom of speech and all that jazz.

By the way, before you start shooting down people with a difference of opinion by branding them conspiracy theorists.

National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program which was set up in 10/01/1988..from that date to 5/01/2019 “couldn’t find a more recent study” they have shelled out $4.1 billion. So, before you start berating people who campaign about the potential dangers…look into it. I personally think they have decent ground to do so.

If you want it down in writing, I’ll even copy and paste the study by the HRSA.

As the quote goes….

“Opinions are like assholes, everybody’s got one and everyone thinks everyone else’s stinks.”

[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

The trouble is when people have opinions about things they don’t understand and then consider those opinions equally valid to someone else’s facts.

[Anonymous]

Freedom of speech also includes the freedom to criticise, which means if you put forward an opinion it’s not protected from ridicule or disagreement. I am allowed to disagree with your stance, even if it hurts your feelings.

And not all opinions are equal; that’s politically correct rubbish. If one opinion is backed by evidence and the other not then it’s not ‘just another opinion.’ You can spout whatever crap you like, but don’t expect people to treat it seriously or as equally valid to an opinion which can be supported, and pleading about how your opinion counts doesn’t fit this criteria. No-one cares if someone has a belief in something, it’s what backs the belief up that counts. Anti-vaxxer arguments fail so much in this, as they have nothing beyond out of context ‘facts’ or distortions to support. As such they are not equal to scientific evidence for their effectiveness until proven otherwise. Not with opinions, but with data.

It’s recently been announced that polio is now gone from Africa. The reason is because of vaccines, so no, nonsense about vaccine injuries being a major concern is bunkum. Deaths from vaccines are far more negligible than the diseases they eradicate and the injuries are predominantly minor. As I say, the result of vaccine disbelief has been increases in cases in measles. Would these brave ‘sceptics’ who have led to this be willing to pay compensation for the greater deaths they cause than any vaccine injury? Of course they wouldn’t. They’re happy to peddle their nonsense, so long as they don’t face the consequences. If someone posts obvious nonsense which cannot be backed up by evidence then they can be dismissed.

If someone wants to spread nonsense conspiracy theories then they can do, but they don’t have the right to be taken seriously if their rubbish contradicts evidence, as it so often does. It’s dangerous bovine faeces which has caused people to die from preventable diseases, and no pleading about the far lesser risk of any vaccine injury, which has a likelihood so small it’s laughable.

For that figure you’ve given, here’s a balanced take on the subject, and not one found from the “vaccines causes autism” crowd:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/05/vaccine-safety-program/589354/

[Anonymous]

” and no pleading about the far lesser risk of any vaccine injury, which has a likelihood so small it’s laughable.”

Should read: and no pleading about the far lesser risk of any vaccine injury, which has a likelihood so small it’s laughable, changes that.

Last time I post after a few drinks!

[Awaywego]

like to think my opinions on this post have been backed by evidence or at least facts and not wishy washy sentiment. unlike, “good chance anybody taking covid for granted could fall into a wooden overcoat” when the evidence shows its highly unlikely now.(average 7 deaths a day last week)

[Gurnelista]

WonderGoals wrote:

It’s this ridiculous mindset which stops people coming out and saying what they feel/think. This is why everybody nowadays feeling like they’re constantly treading on egg shells.

WG, I’ve read your stuff before and frequently agree with your knowledgeable comments on football matters, but this is a shot wide of the post.

We all have opinions about all sorts of stuff, you’re absolutely right. But our opinions shouldn’t confuse feelings with facts.

We all have feelings about football, our wife/girlfriend, family, maybe our job. But here we’re talking about factual matters. It’s a fact that masks help, if they are clean and fit well. It’s also a fact that infection rates are lower in some areas because people are taking precautions by social distancing, wearing masks, not going out much, etc.

It’s also foolish and dangerous to think that because Covid infection rates are low, it’s safe to go back as usual to social gatherings. It’s like saying that it’s OK to drive without your safety belt, because death rates from car accidents are nothing like they were in the 1970’s, so the risk must be lower!

Trouble is, in the current climate it’s become ok to confuse feelings with facts. Populist politicians like Trump, Johnson, and Farage all rode high by making people prioritise feelings over facts, feelings about immigrants, feelings about the EU, feelings about nationhood and exceptionalism, even over Covid, initially.

The government even said it didn’t like experts (or unskilled immigrants, for that matter), and they worked hard to target their messages at the kind of voters who would be susceptible to their propaganda, voters who were unlikely to seek out factual information (middle-aged and elderly, with a big family and non-university education).

Putting our trust in such a band of fools was catastrophically wrong, as we’ve discovered to our cost. And the more we let feelings rule over facts in these matters, the more we let the lunatics run this virus-riddled asylum.

[Northumbiron]

Aye, there’s no risk!

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