The Moronic Nature of the Left

[Bucksiron]

The huge irony in the comment that “all Tories are scum” will no doubt be lost on those of the left. Just making such a comment and applying it to anyone and everyone who votes for the Tories reveals a huge amount about the person behind it and those who agree with it. The word moronic means ‘very foolish and stupid’, which sums it up exactly.

So much for the caring left. They only care about you if you agree with them.

Never mind that the alternative was an antisemitic, hard-left socialist who no longer stands as a Labour MP.

Never mind that unions have co-ordinated their efforts to inflict maximum harm and damage on ordinary people, many of whom are struggling following the pandemic and surging energy prices. Oh, and never mind that it just happens to be Christmas when many families were hoping to be together properly for the first time in years.

Apparently, the unions “have no alternative” and “regret the impact of their actions”. Well, I know a lot of of people who basically agree with what the unions are asking for but are appalled by the way the strike action has very clearly been co-ordinated to inflict that maximum damage I mentioned earlier. That includes me.

There are millions of people in this country who had no pay during the Pandemic. For many of them this Christmas was an opportunity to get back some of what they lost, but Mick Lynch has made sure that isn’t going to happen. There are also millions of people on NHS waiting lists desperate for treatment while old folk and their families are worried sick in case they fall at a time when they should be looking forward to seeing loved ones for the first time in years.

While I might not agree with what Tory ministers are saying, by turning this into a political battle, which without any doubt is causing huge problems for ordinary working people, has lost the unions my sympathy and the sympathy of many others.

[Siderite]

I find irony in this everywhere. I agree that many on the left say they’re caring, unlike the right, and then call others scum (I do not agree with the language used on the thread in reference). Then there’s the irony of you complaining of 2D representations of the right while making 2D representations of anyone to the left of you.

I haven’t read that much of the above, so have no inclination to debate. I just thought I’d comment on this one aspect from someone who constantly paints themselves as being more reasonable and less aggressive than everyone else.

[Deereyme66]

‘Mick Lynch has made sure that isn’t going to happen’

Ah yes, it’s demonise Lynch time. How utterly predictable and demonstrates that you don’t understand how union’s operate and make decisions. They’re called unions for a reason.

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[TwoWrights]

GUFFAW. The thread title is a moronic as the first sentence of the OP. Not all Tories are scum, and not all on the left think they are. Usual superciliousness. 🤭

[Deereyme66]

‘has lost the unions my sympathy’

Yeah, yeah, like you ever had any. Who you trying to kid??

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TwoWrights

[Northumbiron]

More evidence that Bucks once applied for a public sector job and failed the interview!

Criticise public sector pensions, criticise unions. All public service employees are work-shy communists!

Capitalism is the only way!

C’mon Bucks, tell me I’m wrong!

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[Iron-awe]

The unions have still got massive support and sympathy actually and as for the Government, they lose more credibility by the day due to their intransigence. Mega shit coming down the line in the New Year.

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Deereyme66, Heath

[64]

“If they don’t disown the comments of the health Secretary ”
scumbag who says that Nurses and ambulances drivers or deliberately harming patients .What a scumbag

[Heath]

Instead of blaming the workers and posting your crap on here, why don’t you get in touch with your “many friends” and the “many others” in this useless Government. All disputes are settled by negotiations. Better to get on with it NOW!!

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Deereyme66

[Bucksiron]

Actually, NI, I worked in the gardening department at Scunthorpe hospital after leaving university during the summer of 1979. I had a great time and the nurses were fantastic.

In fact I have nothing at all against the public sector, which is extremely important. What I object to is the amount of money wasted, which runs into billions, in all sorts of areas. From the NHS to central and local government, schools, you name it. The real problem is there’s no accountability, so the many good people who work in the public sector are let down by those who are incompetent or lazy; and please don’t tell me that isn’t the case. I have plenty of relatives and friends in the public sector and I hear what goes on, while you only have to look around any town or city to see the huge amounts of money that’s squandered.

As for “capitalism is the only way”, although far from perfect there’s no question that open markets are far more efficient, as the Chinese have demonstrated in recent decades after millions died of starvation under Mao. It was the same with Russia under Stalin while the modern Russia’s just too corrupt to work. Likewise with any country that’s ever tried to work under socialism and please don’t make daft claims about Scandinavia.

Deerey, I’d love you to share your wisdom on unions and, no, I’m not against them. But you’d have to be totally naive or a complete idiot to believe what’s happening at the moment is anything other than the unions weaponising their workers.

As for public sector pensions, the fact is that if these were treated the same way as in the private sector the nurses and everybody else would be able to have their pay increases. Somehow I doubt any of you will be supporting that; and remember exactly where all this money comes from. Also worth remembering that plenty in the public sector earn huge amounts of money, so why aren’t you complaining about them?

[Siderite]

“As for “capitalism is the only way”, although far from perfect there’s no question that open markets are far more efficient, as the Chinese have demonstrated in recent decades after millions died of starvation under Mao.”

Aye and now many more are being kept in a police state with harsh punishment for dissent. An entire ethnicity is facing extermination through concentration camps, forced sterilisation and death.

I am not disagreeing with your argument that capitalism is the only functioning system we have. I don’t disagree, but place more focus on a welfare system than you and Tories, and would point to the last 12 years of hardship as to why we need such. For all their excuses, and avoidance of accountability, this lies on the Tories. However, I am reluctant to credit a dysfunctional, Orwellian state of terror just because it’s had an economic boom since throwing off the worst of Mao.

[Bucksiron]

To coin a phrase, Siderite, where exactly have I said that I agree with what’s happening in China? I abhor what’s going on in that country.

I was simply making a point, as you well know.

Absolutely huge amounts are spent on welfare. The problem is that even more money is being wasted, not least in the public sector.

Address that and you could solve all the problems in the NHS and welfare. Yet, of course, you all choose to ignore that fact.

[Siderite]

Or you could, for once, not assume everyone who comments on a piece isn’t doing anything to snipe at you. You could, for once, not project your own persona on to others. ;-)

Of course, it’s silly of me to say I have a different outlook to you, Bucks. I should let go of my political stance and accept libertarian rule is the way. Maybe we should get rid of anything which disagrees with Bucks? After all, thinking differently is seemingly wrong, so why bother with democracy, eh?

My point on welfare was to try and find some common ground by saying that I agree with you on some things, but lean further left. Yet, of course, I should have realised that’s not good enough for you. If I am of a different opinion I am suspect.

[Deereyme66]

‘I worked in the gardening department at Scunthorpe hospital after leaving university during the summer of 1979. I had a great time and the nurses were fantastic.’

At least that made me chuckle. A bit of Partridge with a dash of Madeley sauce 🤣🤣

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[Deereyme66]

‘Deerey, I’d love you to share your wisdom on unions and, no, I’m not against them. But you’d have to be totally naive or a complete idiot to believe what’s happening at the moment is anything other than the unions weaponising their workers.’

Okay, seeing as you’re pushing a warped view of unions by doing the usual tory thing of targetting the leaders in the hope the members revolt; it’s the members who vote on decisions to strike. Your comments only devalue and patronise us as union members who never take striking lightly, it’s always the last resort. You can only be pushed so far, and many have had enough, nothing more nothing less, so get on your bike Tebbit boy and come back when you have something reasonable to contribute. And please, stop pretending you’re not against unions. Your previous comments demonstrate otherwise. How stupid do you think people are?

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[Iron-awe]

” naive or a complete idiot ” if you don’t agree with Buck’s view of how the unions are operating at the moment, that is his assessment. Imagine if others had described his version of events in this way it would be ” more personal abuse from the usual suspects “. Buck’s your hypocrisy is unbelievable.

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Deereyme66

[Heath]

Bucks is showing the same trait that I hope will eventually lead to the fall of this terrible and hopeless Government. A trait he shares with Johnson, Hancock, Truss, Barclay, Sunak and many more of his “friends” and “others”.

Arrogance.

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Deereyme66

[Northumbiron]

“What I object to is the amount of money wasted, which runs into billions, in all sorts of areas.”

Like the £30bn pissed away by Truss in her mini budget?

If you’re looking for wasted dosh you know where to go!

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[Siderite]

You’re forgetting that criticising the Tories for that is the typical self-righteous superiority complex of the left, who think they’re better than the right. Whereas the right berating the left in the same manner is acceptable and we should take heed of their superiority.

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Deereyme66

[Just Iron]

Bit of a feeding ‘frenzy building up’… though pumping offal into the water tends to have that effect.

[Iron-awe]

Don’t talk tripe JI.

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[Deereyme66]

‘Anyone who had a heart….’ 🎵

Oops wrong thread!

[Bucksiron]

“…it’s the members who vote on decisions to strike”

Is that it? And there I was thinking you were going to tell me some earth-shattering fact. Well surprise, surprise, Deerey, I do understand how the unions work; and, no, I’m not at all against having them and couldn’t give a toss whether you believe me or not.

NI, where exactly did I say that the Tory Government doesn’t waste money? I didn’t, so please don’t suggest otherwise. It’s the state that’s particularly good at wasting money whether it’s being run by the Tories or Labour.

As for being naive or a complete idiot, IA, do you seriously believe the unions aren’t playing politics at the moment? If you don’t then you ARE either naive or a complete idiot. Hardly a personal attack given that anyone with any political nous would believe otherwise while there’s nothing inherently wrong in being naive.

[64]

Moronic is believing that the system that once a decade bankrupts the country and leaves people to sleep on the streets is working. Being of a left persuasion does not mean you’re a communist or a radical socialist. Stop gaslighting
Moronic is instead of admitting you’re wrong claiming that “they’re all the same!”

[Northumbiron]

“NI, where exactly did I say that the Tory Government doesn’t waste money? I didn’t, so please don’t suggest otherwise.”

I didn’t suggest otherwise Captain Gaslight.

I was merely pointing out that it starts at the top!

“It’s the state that’s particularly good at wasting money whether it’s being run by the Tories or Labour.”

Twelve years and counting since we had a Labour(ish) government so your “the state is to blame” comment falls firmly on the Tory doorstep.

[Iron-awe]

I refer my comment on tripe to the last response from Buck’s, he must be an abattoir owners dream.

[Bucksiron]

“I didn’t suggest otherwise Captain Gaslight.”

Yeah, right, NI. That’s exactly what you did; and what part of “where exactly did I say that the Tory Government doesn’t waste money?” do you not understand?

The state wastes billions regardless of who’s in Government. It’s unaccountable and very good at spending other people’s money. It’s also very good at blaming everything and everyone else for problems and lack of money.

As for the rubbish about “gaslighting”, of course, just come out with yet another daft thing you can accuse someone of. I wonder if you even know what it really means.

[Iron-awe]

I’m sure Trump is Buck’s role model.

[Deereyme66]

I should think NI does know what it means, him having worked in education as opposed to a grifters occupation!

[Northumbiron]

Ah, but that makes me an evil public sector vampire. Sucking the life blood out of the treasury!

I see he still hasn’t answered my question from Thursday!

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