“The knee”

[Heath]

Come on Bucks. There are plenty of “fools” wanting to hear the benefits.

I’ll give you a starter.

A handful of the richest people in the UK and EU will become even richer as THEY own the fishing rights around our waters. Get your mate Johnson to take their fishing rights off them and I may agree to one benefit, but that’s not going to happen is it.

[Ferrite]

Lord Kitchener wrote:

A lot of renoaners will never understand that we are net contributors to the EU

We pay a membership fee. There are benefits to that membership. Those benefits massively outweight the cost of membership. Clear?

Lord Kitchener wrote:

I’m still confident that leaving will prove to have been a great move, and that others will follow. The only thing that does worry me is that as more nations exit the EU, who are already talking about creating their own military, another war in Europe could become a possibility. It’s not as if we have no history of it…

Huh, what was one of the founding principles of the EU? Also, you still haven’t told me what you think the upsides of Brexit will be. How will it be a “great move”? What will you get out of it, in tangible terms?

Bucks once again pretending to be one thing and saying another, at least AWG and others on here are honest about their opinions (and prejudices).

Bucksiron wrote:

There are, of course, also downsides but given how the world was supposed to end if we voted for Brexit there can’t have been many who were unaware of them at the time of the referendum

This is one of the most bare-faced lies Bucks has ever stated and that’s a competitive field.
I’m sure you’ve got a few quid to insulate you from all the problems Bucks but many, many people haven’t and it’s going to be a VERY bumpy ride for them. Personally, my life has been turned upsidedown by Brexit and I’m worried for my future and that of many other people.

We have a fundamentally dishonest government which is continuing to press ahead with a highly destructive Brexit at a time when the country is in the middle of the biggest crisis of our lifetimes. You may be happy with that. But once again, I ask what the benefit will be of this ludicrous decision?

[Northumbiron]

It would help if Brexit was discussed on the non-football board!

[Awaywego]

Thank for that NI,and on the Barrow thread I did apologize.

[Just Iron]

BRI ‘Not sure I agree here, because I don’t agree with the idea that there should be no such thing as a nation state and can’t think of many who do. I think this is a rather unfair characterisation of the situation.’

Fair point BRI. It’s far too simplistic .. but I do think that push back against a perceived threat of ‘loss of sovereignty’, ‘unaccountable leadership’ etc was a primary motivating force for many who voted to leave. Characterising leave voters as ‘racist’ or ‘naive’ or ‘self centred’, as some are doing, seems to me at least equally simplistic. I think even the most ardent Brexiteer would probably accept the benefits of a return to the days of a Common Market.
( ps Thank you for your supportive comment regarding Gurney’s decision to stick with his defamatory and hypocritical tactics regarding my posts. I have definitely rattled his cage at some point in the past and would love to know what the trigger was. I did ask at one point but he’s in too deep to deal with me as a fellow human. I suspected that it was too much to ask for a climb down. Hope all goes well for everyone in the New Year.)
Pps Yes. Should by now be on the non football.

[MK Iron]

Just in case you are referring to my post JI regarding Brexit and racism.

I said all racists I know support Brexit not that all Brexit supporters are racist.

2 very different things.

[Gurnelista]

Indeed, that’s been my experience too, MK.

We now have an intervention from Wesley Finesword QC – a BAME barrister, Muslim, and one of Pepperills finest – as he takes the floor to address the court.

Ladies and gentlemen, here we are, on the precipice of the worst economic crisis in history, with 500 deaths per day, millions suffering through unemployment and debt, businesses closing forever, rising insecurity, poverty and concomitant illness, as Justles comes on IB in support of one of the vilest politicians and political parties ever to attempt entry into Westminster.

And, that may be all well and good in a social forum, as are your usual pre-occupations with nation, race and religion.

But, what is at issue, is that you solicited Bru-ers trust. You impressed upon the laymen of this locality your former positions as a magistrate and teacher, in order to emphasise your credibility.

Yet, is it not the truth that you set out to groom readers for personal gain? Long ago you failed to mention you had abandoned ideas about education, enlightenment and the church, in favour of the ignorance and hate spread by UKIP and the far-right, as the family jumped into bed with Nigel.

And there’s more. Time after time, we bore witness to some of the most crackpot propaganda ever seen on the Bru, which actually enjoined readers to ‘pass it on to everyone’. Evidence the following:

#63085
June 20, 2016 8.25 pm

“Please, please take ten minutes of your time to read this – and then send to everyone on your email list, and place it on Facebook – requesting others to do the same. I spent a very long time researching all of this! Lesgeo.”

Support Brexit because….

“Attempts to claim major job losses are baseless.”
“Firms leaving the UK after Brexit – evidence not given”
“WTO rules prevent them from isolating us”
“The EU is not called the Evil Empire for nothing”
“Europol’s powers are unlimited… greater than those of the Gestapo.”

Coming from a former magistrate and teacher, it must be true – is that not the case, ladies and gentlemen?

Alas it couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s just another self-published work of sub-standard fiction, perhaps even ghost-written by Jonnie.

Meanwhile, millions of women, men and their families, like those on Bru, were trying to do the right thing – working hard and bringing up their kids up to tell the truth, even tho’ they see many powerful individuals lying and getting away with it, time and time again. We put our kids through university hoping they get a decent job, only to find they’re saddled with thousands of pounds of debt, can’t afford the basics like a house or pension, while being condemned to a life of insecurity in the gig economy, one now blighted by the catastrophic consequences of Brexit. And if they are foreign of accent, face or race, the disadvantage is multiplied, due in no small part to the rise of the far right and the public face of Farage and his party acolytes.

Ladies and gentlemen, as the world struggles to unite against the common problems of racism, disease, economic and environmental collapse, UKIP will go down in history as one of the nastiest and most incompetent parties ever to flirt with power. Is there any wonder Jonathan dare not speak its name in his Twitter profile? These days he’s beyond ashamed, and rightly so.

So, to sum up, you and yours might not suffer greatly in this recession, but if you have it within your soul, just spare a thought for those who actually will. God, there are some confessions need making. Y recuerde – A cada cerdo le llega su San Martín.

[Bucksiron]

It’s the same old, same old. Everyone who voted Brexit is a racist and anyone who voted for the Tories is either a nasty, thieving b*stard or was brainwashed by the media. Pointless even attempting to have a sensible discussion, quite frankly.

As for the benefits of leaving the EU, if people can’t or refuse to see any of the benefits then they need to take the blinkers off and look a little harder. For instance, Ferrite, you’re hardly an example of a typical Brit given that you spend a great deal of time in Italy. In fact I believe you might even live there. To say you might therefore be biased would be something of an understatement.

Then we have the usual self-righteous nonsense from the likes of Gurnelista about racism despite never once getting a peep out of him about anti-Semitism. Why might that be, one wonders. It’s also interesting that you appear to have strong Spanish roots, Gurny. Absolutely nothing whatever wrong with that but it does suggest you might also have an element of bias in your opinions.

Regarding the economic disaster that leaving the EU is, apparently, about to cause our cat has more idea about economics than those on here making such claims. The EU needs the UK every bit as much, if not more than we need them. There might not be a deal but if there isn’t it will be down to them every bit as much as it will be to us; and I still wouldn’t be at all surprised if there is one. That is how the EU works.

[Anonymous]

All blather and no explanation. People aren’t idiots because they don’t agree with your esteemed greatness, Bucks. Your argument could be won with examples, but you can’t give any, you only have bluster. The irony of you accusing others of blinkers as you trot out cliches which ignore reality is not beyond me. They need us much more than us them, which is why our economy has reduced the greatest in the past few years among the G7, I presume. You truly are incapable of seeing those who disagree with you as valid; you are just like Gurnelista.

In fact, can’t this thread be locked. It’s long since served its purpose and we don’t need Gurn trying to accuse others of being in some conspiratorial plot or Bucks pouring out his self-righteous indignation over people daring to disagree with his Cummings-esque mega-brain. It’s tedious.

[MK Iron]

Well said BRI.

We start reaping all the rewards of Brexit in 2 weeks. Why don’t we all shut up and let the joy begin.

Bucks will be on every day to highlight the improvements for us as they happen.

[Ferrite]

Bucksiron wrote:

As for the benefits of leaving the EU, if people can’t or refuse to see any of the benefits then they need to take the blinkers off and look a little harder. For instance, Ferrite, you’re hardly an example of a typical Brit given that you spend a great deal of time in Italy. In fact I believe you might even live there. To say you might therefore be biased would be something of an understatement.

I note that you can’t actually name a benefit, you just try to cast aspersions rather than backing up your argument.

My life has been made significantly worse by Brexit. Many people are in a much worse boat than me, of course. We are not “biased”. We are informed by our life experience.

[cassidystash]

Bucksiron wrote:

Pointless even attempting to have a sensible discussion, quite frankly.

Well it’s pointless having a discussion with you as you clearly don’t read other posts!

“It’s the same old, same old. Everyone who voted Brexit is a racist ……….”

Nobody said that, MKIron clarified the situation above in case anybody misunderstood. Regarding my earlier post do you deny:-
The value of the pound dropped due to Brexit
The haulage industry is in chaos due to Brexit
Just two examples, your examples of benefits are still awaited.

[Heath]

“It’s the same old, same old. Everyone who voted Brexit is a racist”

It is the same old, same old. As others are pointing out, nobody is saying that. It’s the same old ,same old argument I and others have had with you for the last 2 years.

The only person using the same old, same old argument is YOU.

So tell us the benefits or toddle on!

[Siderite]

I see the silent majority who agree with Bucksiron on everything have come out in force. :-)

[MK Iron]

Unfortunately this forum is full of the arrogant political elite.

Very few of the ordinary people who have wrested back power seem to post on here.Thank goodness we have Bucks to guide usto the promised land.

[Lord Kitchener]

Bucksiron wrote:

It’s the same old, same old. Everyone who voted Brexit is a racist and anyone who voted for the Tories is either a nasty, thieving b*stard or was brainwashed by the media. Pointless even attempting to have a sensible discussion, quite frankly.

As for the benefits of leaving the EU, if people can’t or refuse to see any of the benefits then they need to take the blinkers off and look a little harder. For instance, Ferrite, you’re hardly an example of a typical Brit given that you spend a great deal of time in Italy. In fact I believe you might even live there. To say you might therefore be biased would be something of an understatement.

Then we have the usual self-righteous nonsense from the likes of Gurnelista about racism despite never once getting a peep out of him about anti-Semitism. Why might that be, one wonders. It’s also interesting that you appear to have strong Spanish roots, Gurny. Absolutely nothing whatever wrong with that but it does suggest you might also have an element of bias in your opinions.

Regarding the economic disaster that leaving the EU is, apparently, about to cause our cat has more idea about economics than those on here making such claims. The EU needs the UK every bit as much, if not more than we need them. There might not be a deal but if there isn’t it will be down to them every bit as much as it will be to us; and I still wouldn’t be at all surprised if there is one. That is how the EU works.

I agree with your sentiments entirely, and it seems that the closer we get to Dec 31, the more the libtards increase the scaremongering.

I wouldn’t be surprised, come that fateful day, that both sides will agree to extending the so called ‘transition period.’ Thus giving them more time to chip away at what we want, and make more concessions to the EU…

[billpuntonsghost]

While supporting the Iron in the last thirty years I haven’t heard one racist chant or shout while being at grounds home or away.FACT.
There obviously are fans who are racist,but the racist abuse of chanting or shouting has been virtually eliminated from grounds up and down the country.
Most fans would agree ,so the introduction of this politically motivated agenda of BLM is unacceptable for lots and lots of fans.

[Anonymous]

I eagerly await the deflections and cries of stabs in the back if the ‘scaremongering’ comes reality, just as with the queues in Kent, the Brexit border problem and increased bureaucracy. Those who claim this once stated those three things were scaremongering, but they no longer are and they expect to be taken seriously when they speak as fonts of wisdom.

[Northumbiron]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

,but the racist abuse of chanting or shouting has been virtually eliminated from grounds up and down the country.

You’re lucky. I witnessed an incident at Spennymoor Town v Chester last year. Encouragingly, everyone around the guy shouted him down, but the fact he needed to act in that way is depressing.

I was also sat behind a family in SoL at a Sunderland v Carlisle tie in the EFL Trophy, who were using what I can only describe as colourful non-PC terminology.

Repeating for the umpteenth time, this is not JUST about what happens in sports stadia. It is about drawing attention to injustice in all walks of life.

Sportsmen and women support this because they know people look up to them and that their actions are visible.

The fact you have never witnessed it is neither here nor there.

[Awaywego]

Though I voted remain for much the same reasons as posters on here,we lost so let’s get over it, don’t go down the same road wishing it to go tits up like some do with the scunny footy.

[Heath]

Let’s forget about the knee and Brexit at least for a day.

Move this to non football and get behind the lads for a WIN today!!!

[Awaywego]

Why are the players not taking the knee today? But will certainly be cheering for the lads.

[Just Iron]

With you 100% Heath. Brexit, BLM, US election, Pandemic, no family for Christmas .. fading into the background as 3 o’clock draws near. Thanks for reminding us to keep thing in proportion.

[Big J]

Football has become a joke as it has surrendered to the whims of the woke! I will no longer watch when the prima donnas living a life of extreme privilege bemoan the white working classes for being privileged above them! The knee is a Marxist gesture to send solidarity to criminal scum! Perhaps if the criminal scum didn’t act out there would be no repercussions. George Floyd was a drug addict and it was that which caused his death, not the evil white policeman!

Those Millwall fans are heroes and deserve the Pride of Britain awards for standing up for our values against the onslaught by the woke who hate everything about our culture! The real racists are those who focus on the lives of one group when ALL LIVES MATTER!!!

[Gurnelista]

Classic piece of disinformation.

This is another of your Frankenstein’s monsters, Jonathan and Justles. Don’t be surprised if they turn on their creator next.

[Northumbiron]

A classic piece of parody account!

No one’s brain has worked like that since the 1930s.

[billpuntonsghost]

….”classic piece of disinformation.”
Your response to Big J doesn’t give any reason why it is disinformation?

[Awaywego]

Don’t know wether you’ve noticed but some players are now wearing 1 black glove now,when I first looked thought maybe cold and wearing 2. Is it common for players to raise the fist as well?.

[Iron-awe]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

….”classic piece of disinformation.”
Your response to Big J doesn’t give any reason why it is disinformation?

Because the ” evil white policeman” was charged with murder for kneeling on George Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes and not due to drugs as stated by the racist. So it is disinformation to suggest otherwise. Your a Christian aren’t you bill not a racist surely?

[Gurnelista]

It’s also shows how fake news works, Bill.

Some people will read the racist post and think it’s true, even though there’s no evidence for it, and even tho’ it appeared on an unedited football messageboard from someone they’ve never met!

They want to believe it, because it confirms their prejudices.

Racists, for example, know there are a lot of gullible readers on boards, chat rooms, Facebook, etc … so they use these platforms to prey on their prejudices.

It’s the new way to spread very damaging lies and propaganda. You can take as many identities as you like, say pretty much anything about anything, and if you tie a political scarf to it, even better – Brexit, BLM, immigration, Covid, anti-vax… etc., you’ve seen it all.

What do you think, Bill?

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