“The knee”

[Northumbiron]

Another one who doesn’t understand what the campaign is about.

No wonder it’s still going on!

[Xxx]

Come on Mr shop stupid funny how when I put steward in comes out awaywego every time

[Gurnelista]

AWG, the thing is this. You and many others on here have been lied to so often and for so long, it’s hard to work out where the truth lies, except in your gut. It makes it even harder when people in high places say things that sound true and confirm your prejudices.

It’s reached a point where, if someone asks you why you think something, you can just make up an answer. And it really doesn’t matter what you say, because everyone is lying, and you can use it to convince other people and even yourself, just like a child does.

That’s what you did above, about the Roma, wasn’t it AWG? You heard a rumour about travellers and Cowling and made up the rest to make him look a hypocrite. And as if you cared anyway about French travellers in a Colchester car park!

But, it shows why so many people fall prey to conspiracies these days – they’ve been lied to for so long, and had their gut feelings confirmed by sly bastards in office and online, they think the only reason that actual proof is lacking, is because there’s a conspiracy to keep the truth from them about Brexit, Covid, vaccination, BLM and a host of other issues.

What’s the way forward? Come out and admit you’ve been lied to, had, cheated and bullshitted?

No, you’re too far up the tree – climbing down is too hard. If you’ve told your friends and family you’re a Kipper, a Brexiter and / or anti-BLM, etc. you can’t just turn around and admit you’ve been had. You’d look stupid!

But you could start by questioning things, asking for proper proof and not just believing what you read online, for example when you hear ‘a careful newspaper poll found that 100 million Turks were going to come to the UK – pass it on’ (thanks Les). Follow it up, a bit like you might with football rumours. Ask who, which poll, and in which newspaper, and whether anyone criticized it.

Recognise too, there are political interests out to press your buttons and pull your plonker because they know you like simple explanations to complex problems, explanations about foreigners, blacks, snowflakes, do-gooders, etc. That’s what keeps Farage, Johnson and co. sitting pretty, while the majority struggle to get by. ‘Don’t look up at us, look down and punch down’, they say. So, we have those on the far-right pulling your strings and making you angry, and laughing at the show of prole on prole, elderly white poor against young black poor, poor Brits against poor foreigners…

Oh, and that quotation about simple explanations a few posts above? It was from Jonathan himself, a couple of months back on his Twitterfeed. It seems even he’s now seen the light and is prepared to climb down from the height of stupidity, manufacturing simple explanations to whip up the proles into a frenzy. Strange – I thought it was how they got Brexit done.

It’s a funny old world.

[Lord Kitchener]

I grew up with gypsies when we moved south the first time, back in the 1970’s. I’m not going to go into chapter and verse about them or how they lived their lives. What I will say is that the locals hated them, but they were too scared to say so, those guys were and are hard as nails.

Never mind, I’ll get to the point, they always referred to themselves as travellers or travelling folk. Everyone else, including me, are gorgers.

[Xxx]

I really don’t won’t to get into your opinions which I respect do you really think awaywego has the intellectual span to take it all in I think not

[Awaywego]

Thought that was what racism was all about,telling French gypsy travellers they are not wanted or considered not to belong. Must remember to tell the Irish travellers that next time.NOT well not if I want to live.

[Xxx]

Struggling here I think a bit out your depth me thinks but you know what your talking about allegedly

[Xxx]

See you left the room hmm was it to hot awaywego

[Awaywego]

“Heard a rumour about travellers and Cowling and made up the rest”, it was on the news last year, must admit I thought it was another team, a couple of clicks ont tinternet and bingo, turns out to be Colchester what a bonus. Why do you think I care about travellers have you read my posts, I like most dislike them.

[Xxx]

You really are struggling Richard

[IRONINTHEBLOOD]

NI ,I fully understand what’s going on,I said racism in this country works one way,people are frightened to voice there opinions even when they are 100 % true,in case they are accused of ring labelled racist.NI patronising fellow posters is not the answer.

[Heath]

Better give us the benefit of these “100% true facts” with evidence to support your statement.

[Northumbiron]

IITB, you were one of a number of posters who say it should be “All Lives Matter”. I’ll explain why it isn’t.

As in a previous post I’ll refer back to the Suffragette Movement of the early 20th C. Their slogan was “Votes for Women”. It was not “Votes for All”.

Two reasons for this. 1. It was highlighting one particular demographic, the one that was suffering injustice. 2. Men already had the vote. It was about raising the rights of one group so that it was on an equal footing with the others.

We have had 300-400 years of “Only White Lives Matter” or to put it another way “Black Lives Don’t Matter”.

Many white people think that everything is now hunky-dory in our modern, enlightened age, but incidents home and abroad prove that it isn’t. That is why we need to show solidarity.

[Ferrite]

Quite right NI. The whole point of Black Lives Matter is that All Live *Should* Matter. It really isn’t complicated.

I don’t know why some folk find this so hard to stomach.

[TwoWrights]

Northumbiron wrote:

IITB, you were one of a number of posters who say it should be “All Lives Matter”. I’ll explain why it isn’t.

As in a previous post I’ll refer back to the Suffragette Movement of the early 20th C. Their slogan was “Votes for Women”. It was not “Votes for All”.

Two reasons for this. 1. It was highlighting one particular demographic, the one that was suffering injustice. 2. Men already had the vote. It was about raising the rights of one group so that it was on an equal footing with the others.

We have had 300-400 years of “Only White Lives Matter” or to put it another way “Black Lives Don’t Matter”.

Many white people think that everything is now hunky-dory in our modern, enlightened age, but incidents home and abroad prove that it isn’t. That is why we need to show solidarity.

Post of the year. 👍

[TwoWrights]

Awaywego wrote:

Thought that was what racism was all about,telling French gypsy travellers they are not wanted or considered not to belong. Must remember to tell the Irish travellers that next time.NOT well not if I want to live.

Thought wrong, again, although you’re ahead of your time as you seem to be in your own bubble. I don’t give a flying merde where the travellers came from, it wasn’t their land to camp on.
Simple question, travellers turn up on the car park on a Friday with a match scheduled for the next day. What should Colchester United have done?

[Awaywego]

Should have got them to resurface the car park TW, and bought lucky heather it might have helped them win promotion, and of course get the recipe for cooking hedgehog to add to the food stalls, food is all a bit predictable at most clubs.

[TwoWrights]

Lame, very lame.

[Gurnelista]

Northumbiron wrote:

IITB, you were one of a number of posters who say it should be “All Lives Matter”. I’ll explain why it isn’t.

As in a previous post I’ll refer back to the Suffragette Movement of the early 20th C. Their slogan was “Votes for Women”. It was not “Votes for All”.

Two reasons for this. 1. It was highlighting one particular demographic, the one that was suffering injustice. 2. Men already had the vote. It was about raising the rights of one group so that it was on an equal footing with the others.

We have had 300-400 years of “Only White Lives Matter” or to put it another way “Black Lives Don’t Matter”.

Many white people think that everything is now hunky-dory in our modern, enlightened age, but incidents home and abroad prove that it isn’t. That is why we need to show solidarity.

Good, clear explanation NI, after AWG’s attempt at distraction.

[Lord Kitchener]

Gurnelista wrote:

AWG, the thing is this. You and many others on here have been lied to so often and for so long, it’s hard to work out where the truth lies, except in your gut. It makes it even harder when people in high places say things that sound true and confirm your prejudices.

It’s reached a point where, if someone asks you why you think something, you can just make up an answer. And it really doesn’t matter what you say, because everyone is lying, and you can use it to convince other people and even yourself, just like a child does.

That’s what you did above, about the Roma, wasn’t it AWG? You heard a rumour about travellers and Cowling and made up the rest to make him look a hypocrite. And as if you cared anyway about French travellers in a Colchester car park!

But, it shows why so many people fall prey to conspiracies these days – they’ve been lied to for so long, and had their gut feelings confirmed by sly bastards in office and online, they think the only reason that actual proof is lacking, is because there’s a conspiracy to keep the truth from them about Brexit, Covid, vaccination, BLM and a host of other issues.

What’s the way forward? Come out and admit you’ve been lied to, had, cheated and bullshitted?

No, you’re too far up the tree – climbing down is too hard. If you’ve told your friends and family you’re a Kipper, a Brexiter and / or anti-BLM, etc. you can’t just turn around and admit you’ve been had. You’d look stupid!

But you could start by questioning things, asking for proper proof and not just believing what you read online, for example when you hear ‘a careful newspaper poll found that 100 million Turks were going to come to the UK – pass it on’ (thanks Les). Follow it up, a bit like you might with football rumours. Ask who, which poll, and in which newspaper, and whether anyone criticized it.

Recognise too, there are political interests out to press your buttons and pull your plonker because they know you like simple explanations to complex problems, explanations about foreigners, blacks, snowflakes, do-gooders, etc. That’s what keeps Farage, Johnson and co. sitting pretty, while the majority struggle to get by. ‘Don’t look up at us, look down and punch down’, they say. So, we have those on the far-right pulling your strings and making you angry, and laughing at the show of prole on prole, elderly white poor against young black poor, poor Brits against poor foreigners…

Oh, and that quotation about simple explanations a few posts above? It was from Jonathan himself, a couple of months back on his Twitterfeed. It seems even he’s now seen the light and is prepared to climb down from the height of stupidity, manufacturing simple explanations to whip up the proles into a frenzy. Strange – I thought it was how they got Brexit done.

It’s a funny old world.

SO, basically anyone who disagrees with what amounts to a steaming pile of pc crap, is a gullible idiot who believes all the ‘lies’ fed to him/her by establishment fascists?

Me? Well I must be barking! I voted for BREXIT every opportunity I got, and I’m so going to vote for Mr Farage’s Reform Party. I hate the EU, (and funnily enough so did my mum who used to sell Militant outside Boots on the weekend.) I don’t like Johnson but I predicted he would be PM ten years ago. I’ll make another prediction right now. Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister, it will be his first general election victory, and it will be within the next ten to fifteen years.

As for BLM? I believe that ALL lives matter equally. I don’t care about the history of different races, we have all been slaves.

Everyone has the right to be proud of who they are, I’m Scunthorpe and English. Damn right I’m proud, why shouldn’t I be?

[Lord Kitchener]

Awaywego wrote:

Why do you think I care about travellers have you read my posts, I like most dislike them.

So did Adolf Hitler (allegedly)

[Gurnelista]

No, they aren’t idiots LK, but people have been lied to over and over by those in power, many sections of the mass media, and a very clever campaign on social media, including on here.

The lying has been so bad that in the end folk just don’t trust the government. And, that’s when rumours start and spread, as you’ve seen on IB – “millions of Turks are coming – pass it on!” and elsewhere.

And of course, if you can’t get the proof of your suspicion, it’s because THEY are keeping it from you, there’s a conspiracy! So people just end up believing anything, no actual proof required. If you saw it on your mate’s Facebook page it’s enough.

Farage knows this very well and carries on appealing to people’s prejudices, chucking them red meat about foreigners and the EU, knowing his fans won’t bother to seek out reliable information.

As for BLM, see NI’s point above about why all lives and BLM are important.

Our history is important too, LK. It’s important to know who ‘we’ are, and our mixed heritages, at least (have a look at the ADF track I posted on ‘Today’s Listening’ in non-football, for a slightly bonkers take on this).

It’s also important to learn how those in high places have often turned people against each other, in order to preserve their own privileges and position – poor white on poor black, poor Brit on poor foreign, etc. There’s a long history of it.

Scunthorpe and proud? Why not?

[cokeovenkid]

2020 summed up perfectly: I’ve given you your opinion and you still don’t get it !!.

[Ferrite]

Lord Kitchener wrote:

As for BLM? I believe that ALL lives matter equally. I don’t care about the history of different races, we have all been slaves.

But I thought your sort liked to bark how “Britains never, never shall be slaves”? Make your mind up!

Lord Kitchener wrote:

I voted for BREXIT every opportunity I got, and I’m so going to vote for Mr Farage’s Reform Party. I hate the EU

Why do you “hate” the EU? What has it done to make your life worse? It’s EU money which has propped up towns like Scunthorpe that Westminster has left to die. It’s EU laws which ensure you still have some employment rights. Why would anyone vote for Farage, someone who clearly doesn’t give a dman about the common man?

[Awaywego]

It was our money that we contributed to the EU that they give us back, and our unions that achieved most of our employment rights alot that are better terms than EU citizens have. If any of our governments decide to water any down than we have the power to vote them out and vote for the rights we want, in football alone the Bosman ruling has done us no favours.

[TwoWrights]

Awaywego wrote:

It was our money that we contributed to the EU that they give us back, and our unions that achieved most of our employment rights alot that are better terms than EU citizens have. If any of our governments decide to water any down than we have the power to vote them out and vote for the rights we want, in football alone the Bosman ruling has done us no favours.

Just a couple of points there, but as it’s you I won’t be bothering. 🤬

[Awaywego]

Bit lame there TW 🖕.

[Gurnelista]

‘Our’ money which the EU gives us back? It’s pretty good value really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318

What are you planning to do with the £100 you’ll save AWG? A new car maybe?

You think British unions are somehow better than those abroad? Where did you read that? Evidence???

Since the 1980s there’s been a steady decline in unions power here, with the loss of big industries and their unions – iron, coal, steel, shipbuilding and so on, and a hostile government. Now, most workers are employed in service industries where the unions are much less powerful. But, the decline hasn’t been so marked in other EU countries, where many unions remain strong and influential at protecting workers’ rights, e.g. France.

Vote ‘em out if you’re not happy? This is a silly line which is often used as an argument for Brexit but has no foundation in reality. Look, if you don’t want to work 50 hours per week for 40 hours pay, or you’ve been unfairly dismissed because you refuse to work on Christmas Day, you might not be able to wait for an election.

Johnson knows the UK is about to become a basket case economy, and wants to retain the right to let employers do whatever they like to be able to compete with EU countries. That would likely include the ‘right’ to pay workers even less than now, as well as make it easier to sack people.

As for Bosman, the ability or lack of it for EU players to transfer to and from SUFC is pretty irrelevant compared to the likely consequences for other sectors of the country, economy and society. It’s like saying, “Well you might be dying of cancer, but at least that spot on your nose will heal up.”

[TwoWrights]

Awaywego wrote:

Bit lame there TW .

Says the git that’s shown himself to be lamer than Douglas Bader.
That is all.
💉

[Awaywego]

The Bosman ruling was nothing to do with players moving from the EU Gurnelista, pre Bosman players weren’t free to leave their club without a transfer fee (unless agreed) now they can just walk away and can even negotiate a deal with another club with a year left of there contract to go, hence why transfer fee tribunals were set up to protect clubs who developed young players,walking away with no fee at all.

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