“The knee”

[Ferrite]

Bravo Greylag.

In all honesty, I thought the knee protest had run its course because doing it for so long risks to dilute its impact. The sight of the England & West Indies players doing it before the first ball of the first test match of the summer was very powerful. Seeing it for the 100th Premier League game of the season has less of an impact. But the actions of this mob at Millwall show that I am wrong and we need to keep going.

[Awaywego]

Millwall players are not going to take the knee tonight, good on em,maybe they’ve talked through it and found out that individuals have been pressured into doing it, but still hope those who want to still do, and Millwall fans who are under alot of scrutiny do what they believe is right for them as individuals and not mob rule.

[Anonymous]

Awaywego wrote:

Of course I am all over the place Twowrights, I was a shop steward and had to balance will different views, I hate Wilcox as a manager but have and will stick up for the success he had in his promotion season, theres no more bigger a fan of Hamilton than me, but that doesn’t mean I agree with his tax stance, if you have followed the grand Prix season he has been discriminated all through the season been given excessive penalties throughout I believe it’s racial,bet he does to but he just sucks it up which is wrong in itself.

No-one is trying to justify his tax stance or inability to go further than just words against F1’s decision to race in countries with poor human rights records. It’s just irrelevant to making a stand against racism and he’s not the only one who doesn’t act against F1’s questionable race locations.

[lesgeo]

QPR and Millwall players will LINK ARMS before their game on Tuesday instead of taking the knee in a bid to unify people after fans booed the gesture at Millwall’s home game.
Excellent. I’d gladly join arms with my fellow human beings – from any ethnic background – as a gesture of peace and brotherhood at any time.
The profoundly politicised ‘knee’? – I’ll turn my back.

[Ferrite]

lesgeo wrote:

The profoundly politicised ‘knee’? – I’ll turn my back.

Profoundly politicised? Aye, right-o.

[Iron-awe]

I noticed before the England v France rugby international on Sunday that some players took a knee in the lineups and others didn’t, it should be a personal choice but booing either action should be criticised IMO. Also it was noticeable that no mention of the discrepancies between the players choosing their own method of respect was discussed and of course not a boo was heard from 2000 rugby fans. Well done guys all round.

[billpuntonsghost]

Black Lives Matter is a political movement.You just put movement?
Black Lives Matter is not a political party as you say.
(GREYLAG POST)

[billpuntonsghost]

“ Joining arms with fellow human beings”.
If only we could!!!
But footballers are different to the general public.
When they huddle in a circle before the start of a match ,it’s one rule for them and one rule for us.
You couldn’t make it up!

[billpuntonsghost]

….then they go home to their families!

[Northumbiron]

Awaywego wrote:

Millwall players are not going to take the knee tonight…

… instead they will link arms.

Conveniently forgot that bit did we?

lesgeo wrote:

The profoundly politicised ‘knee’? – I’ll turn my back

Got your number then!

[Gurnelista]

Joining arms is a general act of solidarity.
Taking the knee recognizes there’s a specific problem. They are different.
Denigrating it by calling it ‘highly politicized’ and turning round as if to ignore it, just gives succor to the racists – it’s one reason why this problem won’t go away.
Really, what are you and yours all scared of, Les?

[Ferrite]

“Highly politicised” – aye, it has been – by those who seek to deny and deflect racism.

[billpuntonsghost]

…that’s why the problem won’t go away…..I haven’t heard a racial chant at a football ground for at least 30 years…BLM is a political movement with neo-Marxist motives.

[Anonymous]

BLM is an amorphous civil rights group centred around highlighting injustice in how black people are treated in society. The knee taking is to do with this. Sure, some more political groups move in to try and co-opt the movement, but I think we should be able to distinguish between football players taking the knee for highlighting racial injustice and socialist groups trying to use it for their own ends. Football players are hardly signalling an intent to be footsoldiers for the revolution.

[j charles]

You all just keep saying the same old tripe,blm is not at all about equality it is about domination. Do not turn George Floyd into a martyr. He had just committed a criminal offence while full of drugs and alcohol and was rightly being arrested when he died. That does not give mobs of blm thugs the right to riot and destroy statues in London. What is wrong with you people supporting organisations like that? What you scared of? Racism has no part to play in my life at all but for gods sake do your bloody research before you write comments.

[Anonymous]

I see. Being a suspect meant it was ok for an officer to kneel on his neck and cut off his oxygen supply and definitely erases questions over why instances like this happen to blacks more often.

No-one is supporting rioters. Take your head out of your self-righteous backside and listen to the arguments. People are arguing against racism, treatment of minorities by police and the right to protest at football matches. No-one is saying that there is justification for looting and rioting.

Think about that before lecturing us on what we should and shouldn’t argue.

[j charles]

More white people die at the hands of the police, bit more research you could do. White copper shot in a London police station few weeks ago because his colleagues were not allowed to search the person they had just arrested. Manchester arena bomber not challenged because a young security guard was scared of being called racist. Self righteous dont think so, just living in the real world.

[Anonymous]

More white people die in police custody because there are more white people in the UK. Of course there will be white victims of police violence, but in terms of proportionality the percentage of black victims is higher than percentage incarcerated, indicating that they face a higher than expected risk of brutality. Meanwhile other data shows that black suspects are more likely to face the risk of death or injury from police brutality:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53407560

Again, no-one is arguing that we shouldn’t stop terrorists because of racism. There is a debate to be had there, but this doesn’t change the issue of how blacks are treated by police.

The fact that you think you have the need to assert your ‘living in the real world’ is precisely what I mean by taking your head out of your backside. I can see why the political elements of BLM rile some, I just think that we should be able to separate acts of solidarity and raising of awareness from athletes and others from the less savoury aspects.

[billpuntonsghost]

BRI-“Think about that before lecturing us on what we should and shouldn’t argue.”
The trouble is BRI you’re saying don’t lecture us when YOU ARE lecturing j.charles!!

[Northumbiron]

And that’s why it won’t go away anytime soon. Because of tit-for-tat whataboutery like this.

I sometimes wonder what century we’re supposed to be living in.

[Anonymous]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

BRI-“Think about that before lecturing us on what we should and shouldn’t argue.”
The trouble is BRI you’re saying don’t lecture us when YOU ARE lecturing j.charles!!

I am not the one making out that I am the one living in the real world and saying how we support dastardly groups. I am trying to highlight the issue, while acknowledging the problems. I can understand why the less savoury parts grate, but I don’t think it should distract from supportable aspects and when he starts asking what is wrong with us for supporting positive aspects of a movement it comes across as self-righteous to me.

[Xxx]

Was that dick dasterly you were talking about

[Anonymous]

BLM are a Mutley crew.

[Iron-awe]

billpuntonsghost wrote:

BRI-“Think about that before lecturing us on what we should and shouldn’t argue.”
The trouble is BRI you’re saying don’t lecture us when YOU ARE lecturing j.charles!!

I think if you read the re!event posts Mr Christian you would realise that BRI was responding to the charge of ” do your bloody research “, which he has done by proving j charles wrong. The only thing BRI can be accused of is putting people right who don’t do their research. It is quite extraordinary that you try and undermine the anti racist agenda with such an ” un Christian ” view of this issue.

[Xxx]

Hmm

[Iron-awe]

Anonymous wrote:

BLM are a Mutley crew.

Would a wacky racist agree or disagree I wonder 🤔

[BigLeftToe]

Thread of the year…what an easy way to highlight the forum racists, homophobes and general bigots!

[TwoWrights]

Awaywego, you’ve never mentioned you used to be a shop steward, well not this week anyway. Fred Kite springs to mind! 😜

[Xxx]

Oh the reverend big toe is in the building

[Iron-awe]

TwoWrights wrote:

Awaywego, you’ve never mentioned you used to be a shop steward, well not this week anyway. Fred Kite springs to mind!

More Gob Shite then Fred Kite methinks.

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