That there takeover?

[IronIronIron]

Sorry Sanfran, but this is where the paranoia comes in.

Whilst Swann has been an absolute disaster for the club, he most certainly didn’t plan it.

It is stated that he promised this that and the other, that his sole intention was to develop the land on which the ground stands, that he doesn’t care about the club or the fans. All wrong.

His character is such that he wants to be loved, he wants to be our saviour, he wants to be remembered. Sadly, he has been so incompetent that he has failed in all areas.

He wanted the new ground, to play in the Championship and be the big “I am”. I, for one, wish he had been successful (but I still wouldn’t have liked him).

Hopefully someone with the same intentions, but far more capable, takes us on soon.

[cassidystash]

IronIronIron wrote:

It is stated that he promised this that and the other, that his sole intention was to develop the land on which the ground stands, that he doesn’t care about the club or the fans. All wrong.

So tell us one thing that he has promised that has actually happened.

[Deereyme66]

Broadly agree with what III is saying but not sure there’s evidence he actually does care about the fans. Certainly not the last few years.

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[Northumbiron]

The alternative is that supporters forget all about our off-field plight and just turn up to cheer on the boys regardless.

It’s what some on here (and recently departed) want but it ain’t going to happen!

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[Awaywego]

Don’t think anyone is saying forget about the off field plight, but it’s nothing we can resolve, down to choice on support, there’s a massive wedge between me and the club. I just try and give the club the least money I can without stopping going altogether.

[Deereyme66]

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that NI. There are conflicting interests at play. It may be that simple for some, others not so.

[IronIronIron]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Broadly agree with what III is saying but not sure there’s evidence he actually does care about the fans. Certainly not the last few years.

Sorry Deerey, my fault for not making it clear – he doesn’t care for the fans, which is obvious, but he does care what the fans think of him.

A man who is out of his depth and has no idea how to stabilise things. Hopefully someone will come along soon and replace him.

[IronIronIron]

cassidystash wrote:

IronIronIron wrote:

It is stated that he promised this that and the other, that his sole intention was to develop the land on which the ground stands, that he doesn’t care about the club or the fans. All wrong.

So tell us one thing that he has promised that has actually happened.

He said he was going to do a lot of things, the vast majority of which he has failed to deliver. How many actual promises he made, I don’t know. I can’t think of any.

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[Bucksiron]

The plans he stated all made sense, but the implementation has failed to the extent that nothing’s been implemented! Obviously covid didn’t help and it would have hit Swann hard given he’s in hospitality. However, I’d say the biggest mistake was interference on the field, especially with regard to transfers, along with the ‘hire and fire’ approach to managers.

All of this meant that the impact of the pandemic was significantly greater than it might have been and we find ourselves in this very sorry state. I really can’t forgive Swann for what’s happened and feel very let down, especially having supported him for so long.

[TwoWrights]

Awaywego wrote:

So Swanny can publish or say what he wants with impunity? Yet others have their hands tied by confidentiality agreement, By he’s a powerful man why would we want rid, so clever than everyone else a messiah.

This is exactly what the Allams did at Hull City with various ‘buyers’ that came and went. They even managed to trouser a six million quid non-refundable deposit.

[ironfromafar]

TwoWrights wrote:

Awaywego wrote:

So Swanny can publish or say what he wants with impunity? Yet others have their hands tied by confidentiality agreement, By he’s a powerful man why would we want rid, so clever than everyone else a messiah.

This is exactly what the Allams did at Hull City with various ‘buyers’ that came and went. They even managed to trouser a six million quid non-refundable deposit.

Maybe thats what Swan is up to .. contractually getting a non refundable deposit then pushing the deal to go tits up .. lets face it he is a slippery blighter.

[lesgeo]

As I see it, so many claims have been made which have not come to fruition that, what appears to be a huge majority of fans, feel wholly unable to trust him.
Personally, I would prefer these views to be presented without the name-calling and rancour.

A few months back, I suggested that his best option would have been to do some serious ‘pump-priming’.
Put in enough funds to ensure that we were a club in the top third and the buyers will start to appear.
Maybe it is not yet too late for that option.

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[Pat O’Cake]

Bucksiron wrote:

he plans he stated all made sense

No they didn’t and some of us tried to tell you that from the moment he walked into the club, but instead of listening you chose to mock us and tell lies about us! All you had to do was speak to Trinity fans about him as I did.

[Deereyme66]

Where there’s a lot of radio silence about anything serious, conspiracy theories, unsubstantiated claims and plain guessing will happen.

[Iron-awe]

IronIronIron wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

Broadly agree with what III is saying but not sure there’s evidence he actually does care about the fans. Certainly not the last few years.

Sorry Deerey, my fault for not making it clear – he doesn’t care for the fans, which is obvious, but he does care what the fans think of him.

….and as I’ve stated before this is classic narcissistic behaviour, at least we should know by now the type of person any new owners are having to deal with. Must be a very difficult negotiation process for any prospective buyer, if any are actually taking place of course.

[Northumbiron]

Deereyme66 wrote:

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that NI. There are conflicting interests at play. It may be that simple for some, others not so.

Which is why I said it ain’t gonna happen.

Human nature to want to know the answers to questions. And human nature to boo the pantomime villain too!

[Bucksiron]

Sorry Pat, but the plans did make sense. The financial problems we’re now facing aren’t down to what happened off the field but what happened on it. Too much money spent on players who weren’t good enough and a merry-go-round of managers that created instability.

[cassidystash]

Was spending big bucks on architects fees before securing the land and planning permission sensible?

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[Deereyme66]

Misunderstanding his limitations wasn’t sensible

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[Desertiron]

The lack of transparency is as always the problem. If the club is for sale then why not put a price out there? The only reason not to is because he may look greedy. If you put your house up for sale you mention a price. That then weeds out all the timewasting or tyre kickers. Then it’s easy. Anyone interested that has the money sends proof of funds, signs an NDA and they go through the legal process, simple. As it is at the moment someone has to somehow find a way to contact him, sign an NDA if he thinks they are rich enough to maybe milk, then he can name his price which is likely extortionate and they are bound under the NDA terms to not mention it. Loads of time wasted unnecessarily to find out that he perhaps wants more than anyone will be willing to pay. Most likely it’s designed to be as difficult as possible for the reasons above or he wants to keep hold of the stadium so needs an NDA in place before any figure is mentioned.

[premier iron]

OK we have all comments but at the end of the day Swann not interested in selling

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[IronIronIron]

premier iron wrote:

OK we have all comments but at the end of the day Swann not interested in selling

Based on no knowledge whatsoever…..

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Awaywego

[Bucksiron]

“Was spending big bucks on architects fees before securing the land and planning permission sensible?”

I don’t think there’s anything particularly unusual with that for any proposed development, Cass. Either way, this isn’t the reason we’re in the mess we are.

[MK Iron]

Not often I come to Mr Swann’s defence but he was promised the land free or virtually free by the council and the first developer. I don’t know if there was a contract in place (you would hope so) but the developer went bust. The council then found a new developer and they then jointly expected Swann to pay for the land and a big chunk of supporting infrastructure.

This made the new stadium financially not viable. That series of events is the only thing in the last 9 years that I have sympathy with Swann for.

Probably explains why the council leader does not get a Christmas card from the Swann’s.

Also to be fair your design and detailed plans have to be presented as part of a planning application so those costs were inevitable.

I want new owners as much as anyone and in my opinion the club has been run spectacularly badly for 5 years.

I hold Mr Swann totally responsible for that and the current nightmare situation the club is in but it seems to me he was not responsible for the failure of the new stadium project.

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IronIronIron

[Sanfran49]

Despite some inferring paranoia I believe nothing.

When the club issues a statement of ownership change I will read what is said.

[MK Iron]

I agree with Sanfran here.

In fact I will probably only believe a sale has happened when the new ownership confirms it.

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