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The usual suspects spouting the same old rubbish. Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?
All people are asking is for people spouting conspiracy theories about why footballers take the knee, as opposed to the actual reasons which have been stated countless times by the players taking the knee either individually or collectively by their professional association, come forward with evidence to back up their claims. If they can fine, if not, stop posting crap or lies, which ever version you prefer..
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IA : Apologies for offending all racists on here. I should know my place, thanks JI. BTW what’s your position on why so many International footballers are taking the knee in this current football tournament?
I didn’t ask you to apologise for anything IA … and certainly not to any racists. My post was simply to point out the inconsistency of your position. Apart from the jarring use of bad language that you have started to adopt .. which at one time was an issue for moderation .. it isn’t a good look to take up the cause of tolerance and brotherhood by intersectional labelling and abuse.
Of course I have a considered position on taking the knee but the atmosphere created on this board has become so polarised and toxic that I wouldn’t see any value in sharing it. A bit sad … because I do like healthy debate .. but that’s the way it looks to me.
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Topics: 4The nature of the internet is divisive, as is this forum at times. IA was confrontational in how he has worded himself here, especially regarding Laurence Fox, which drew ire.
I think it would have been advisable to tone down the rhetoric on a public forum, but I am not going to lose sleep over someone being called a bad term for political beliefs. I think Fox is a pillock and reserve my right to form negative opinions on people I disagree with. Unlike ethnicity, sexuality, biological sex and class political belief is not an inherent or easily controllable trait. Beliefs, no matter their persuasion (religious or political) should not be protected. Having negative opinions should be allowed without consequence. The alternative is to silence such opinion, which seems rather politically correct to me. Of course this shouldn’t stray into abuse and I do get the concerns over people feeling intimidated. However, I don’t think they should be intimidated by Fox being so derided.
The far right and far left deserve scorn, they both routinely deny genocide and atrocity and sow division among others. I am not going to feel bad about holding negative views towards them, nor others. Some beliefs can be damaging to a country, not everyone can get along. I would rather have a free country where we can freely express disdain towards others than one where we have to tread on eggshells not to offend beliefs. We are going to the latter these days, and not just among the left. The right don’t want to face mockery either. Nor do I want to stop people being negative towards my views. If they think I am a berk, fine, that’s their view (though don’t expect me to be cordial in return).
While what IA said could be seen as rude, harsh and unfair towards others it is not in the same category of racism where people are treated unfairly because of a trait, not a controllable.
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Topics: 4How about letting people who wish to take the knee do it and those who don’t wish to, don’t? It makes no difference to me either way, each to their own and neither side should be criticised for what they chose to do!
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Why do people that have and express their own views on their opinions accept the views of people that do not comply with them??. I do not agree that all this calling players bad names exists, and have never heard it happening at any football match. This knee thing in my opionion is wrong, and to continie doing it is also wrong, can anyone please tell me what has to change that will end it, and how can anyone decide that it has changed, simply because we have never heard it in the first place, how can it be prooved it has changed????. Is it right for people to not agree with the knee?, is it right for people to not agree with those people that think it is ok for endless boat loads of refugees to invade our country???, and to the point why are either to be classed as being racists.
I am personally against both of these, so in the opionions of lefties, I am a racist, if that is ok, then so be it, I will not be losing any sleep on what those kind of people think.
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Isn’t that what people have been on about NI the Ukrainian felt obliged to do it.
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I may not agree with Fox, but I defend his right to be a self serving divisive tosser.
Not on his own then is he.
“Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?”
And aren’t you getting fed up of getting so irate about footballers kneeling down for no more than 5 seconds. As IA has said, they have given the reasons they are doing it multiple times.
So I direct your question back at you. What gives you the right to question the actions of the players who have a different view of life to you?
First of all I am not irate, unlike yourself and others on this site I fully in controll of my emotions. However as a paying customer I have every right to question the quality of the service I receive and how its presented to me.
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The usual suspects spouting the same old rubbish. Dont you you get fed up of calling people racists because they gave a different veiw of life to you?
All people are asking is for people spouting conspiracy theories about why footballers take the knee, as opposed to the actual reasons which have been stated countless times by the players taking the knee either individually or collectively by their professional association, come forward with evidence to back up their claims. If they can fine, if not, stop posting crap or lies, which ever version you prefer..
Ok what aspect do you want me to prove?
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j charles please read all previous posts on this subject properly, you clearly haven’t the ability to absorb what you read before you respond therefore your recent responses are totally irrelevant on this particular subject matter.
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