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You really are becoming a very angry and agitated bunch. My wife moans and groans about me all the time but even she’d struggle to find as many faults with me as you lot do. You’ve all just defaulted to the usual personal attacks.
NI, I’m interested in your comment that: “Millions have died and hundreds of millions have been forced into poverty already because of climate change.”
Where is the evidence that this ‘climate change’ to which you refer is being caused by man-made emissions? Even climate scientists themselves accept there’s no evidence of any direct link. Even those organisations known for having strong views won’t go further than saying events such as the recent heatwaves are “more likely to happen”, which is media-speak for “we don’t actually know”.
The problem is that there’s still NO hard evidence of man-made emissions being responsible for any weather-related events, from the tragic floods in Pakistan to the recent heatwaves and what the UN comes out with is NOT supported by the IPCC scientific reports. You’ll also see plenty of references to “since records began”, which is more media-speak for “OK, the data doesn’t actually go back very far so let’s make it seem as long ago as we possibly can”. In truth, what we’re actually seeing falls well within the bounds of natural variability.
Also worth saying that while there’s zero hard evidence that millions are dying as a result of man-made climate change there’s plenty of very hard evidence that millions — probably billions — are being kept in poverty as a result of having no access to cheap energy.
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Criticising Bucks = personal attacks.
Bucks criticising others in the same manner = Valid criticism.
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So calling me a liar and claiming I “need help” is valid criticism, Siderite?
“The evidence has been given time and time again…”
The ONLY evidence we have is that man-made emissions are having an effect on global temperature. That is not and never has been denied. There remains ZERO evidence that this is anything other than negligible while there is ZERO evidence it is driving climate change.
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I’ve no idea what you’re referring to, Siderite. Where have I said you said anything?!
The basics are actually very clear. I’ve simply used capitals to make the point, which you just don’t seem able to accept.
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TBF to Buck’s the first three words of his last post above are completely correct.
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Very good, IA, that made me chuckle!
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Criticising Bucks = personal attacks.
Bucks criticising others in the same manner = Valid criticism.
He’s entered the martyr phase. It’s a cycle that’s on repeat. Very predictable. He’ll call someone a wanker soon and then complain about everyone abusing him, just because they don’t agree with him.
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NI, I’m interested in your comment that: “Millions have died and hundreds of millions have been forced into poverty already because of climate change.”
Where is the evidence that this ‘climate change’ to which you refer is being caused by man-made emissions?
You completely miss the point.
Your comments (which are valid) were about a drive towards net zero emissions causing death and putting others into poverty.
My response was that millions had already suffered as a result of climate change.
A recent example is the floods in Pakistan that have killed almost 2000 people. The official line is that the floods were caused by heavier than usual monsoon rains and melting glaciers that followed a severe heat wave, all of which are linked to climate change, compounded by poor urban planning.
Now whether or not you believe this is down to man-made emissions is up to you, but to say it’s not a contributing factor is sticking your head in the sand.
Yes, there are other forces at work. Deforestation, drainage of wetlands, over-urbanisation but the burning of fossil fuels is right up there.
My question was – is it to be a trade off of one set values against the other? The way you worded your post suggested you believe more will suffer from the net zero programme than would do if we carried on as before. Is that the case?
Do we do something now, or wait and see? Or is it already too late?
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‘It’s total and utter hysterical nonsense that is piling outrageous mental pressure on young people.’
Lol.. yeah man, what about the kids, think of the kids?! They’ve got plenty of economic mental pressures to contend with brought on by a lousy dysfunctional excuse for a government!
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let’s see what happens over the next few years. The likelihood of it remaining of higher value than London is small.”
The same was said about Paris and anywhere in Europe overtaking in the first place. Now the same people want us to trust their predictions again, and again. In 20 years they would still say we need to wait and see and how their promised sunlit uplands are just round the corner.
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