Take Back Control

[Heath]

What the last 6 weeks have proven, is that this was the biggest lie of all. The idea that we can control our destiny as little England in isolation from international events and markets has been shredded.

Truss, Johnson and her Tory chums have DELIVERED a massive hole in trade that has not, and never could, be filled by trade deals with countries thousands of miles away.

The Tories desperately trumpeted trade deals signed with countries that were less beneficial than the ones we already had in the EU. Those trade deals were a small fraction of total UK trade. No trade deal with the US and poorer trade with our largest market the EU.

The result, stagnant growth, closure of exporting SMEs, more not less red tape (time that this meaningless phrase is binned forever), highest taxes for 70 years, food shortages, inflation on essentials which have had the biggest impact on the poorest in society, labour shortages for essential services, the loss of hardworking tax paying EU citizens, higher mortgages, and a massive loss of influence with the EU and the US (we are at the back of the queue).

Politicians have been promoted way beyond their capabilities. We have a bunch of uncaring ministers like Braverman who have relished their opportunity to spout their bile which have nothing to do with “British values”.

Where was the growth plan in 2016 for UK energy, agriculture, home insulation, industry, sciences, etc. when it was needed if there was any hope to “take back control”?

40 new hospitals, levelling up, control our borders, build back better, £350m a week, stop the illegal migrants, immigration down to the tens of thousands, northern rail, the northern powerhouse, world beating this, that and everything, ALL EMPTY SLOGANS!!!

Lies, lies, lies.

So for the next few weeks we have another unelected Prime Minister in Mr Hunt (Truss is not in control), who in 15 minutes this morning at least spelt out what an absolute mess we are in. He also contradicted every policy or promise made by Ms Truss over the last 6 weeks.

Miriam Margolis spoke for many this morning. It is time that this useless Government eff off before any further damage is done.

Brexit is the source of this disaster. Feel free to counter my opinions by providing a long list of Brexit benefits.

[Siderite]

The attacks on anyone who opposed Trussonomics as anti-growth was truly pathetic. When pointing out that erecting barriers for trade with out biggest trade partner would hinder growth, we got comments about project fear and how it doesn’t really matter, only sovereignty does.

Now the same people are upset about lack of growth, publish an unworkable plan for it, and deride anyone critical as against growth. Where were they for the past 6 or 7 years?

There is no detailed argument for their cause, just reaction to whoever opposes the Tory in power, excuses and finger pointing at anyone critical as being the true problem. It doesn’t matter if opponents were critical because of a position they now claim to hold, it’s just about owning the libs.

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[Heath]

“Project Fear”. You are right Sid, another empty slogan.

Truss is so useless, her attempt at a slogan, the anti-growth coalition is so stupid, it will sink with her premiership.

At least Johnson knew he was lying, she is too thick and wooden to get away with the rubbish and lies.

I forgot to include the gross corruption and cronyism of this Government that will hopefully lead to criminal investigations in the future. I doubt it, but can only hope.

[Gurnelista]

Aye, it’s strange how all those Brexiters we used to see on here have evaporated into the ether after spreading all their lies and nonsense. Even Jonnie himself seems ashamed of his folly and doesn’t even mention his role as a ex-Kipper in his twitterfeed. Shame on the lot of ’em. We told you so.

[Northumbiron]

And let’s not forget she did a U-turn on that too. Remain to leave in the twinkling of an eye!

[Deereyme66]

A very good state of the nation summary in your OP Heath. No qualms about ‘thanking’ that, regardless of the possible incoming misguided criticism for actually agreeing with the views of a fellow poster!

[Deereyme66]

‘At least Johnson knew he was lying, she is too thick and wooden to get away with the rubbish and lies.’

Well indeed. And what does that say about them, that the ability to get away with lies is one of their few talents?

Given her track record and past performance, what the hell does it say about the people who voted her in thinking she was capable of leading the country?? It’s almost possible to look back on the Cameron years (referendum aside) as a golden period for the Tories.

[billpuntonsghost]

We need to give control back to the unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels ,they will be able to control our lives far better than the rabble we have in this country. I know we can have elections to get rid of the rabble we have in charge here,but the security of having the elite unelected rabble if far more reassuring,don’t you think?

[Siderite]

Aye, it was definitely the EU who made the laws prior to 2016.

[Heath]

There you go BPG, you still believe the lies that the EU were controlling our lives. News for you, it’s the British government who do.

[Deereyme66]

‘the elite unelected rabble’. The PM and her Cabinet? For once we agree!

[Iron-awe]

Put your faith in Jesus bill, at least he’s not the leader of a man made religion, ….. oh wait…….

[64]

Heath wrote:

There you go BPG, you still believe the lies that the EU were controlling our lives. News for you, it’s the British government who do.

The EU have many regulations that control food standards,mechanical standards, air quality, water quality etc etc etc. They protect those standards with huge fines to member nations.
The above is a lie,the EU do control huge areas of every day life in member states.To claim otherwise is about as honest as saying we might spend billions on the NHS with money saved.
I might add, I think there were enough morons voting against the EU as they mixed it up with the EHCR and pro immigration ideas in human right laws that the EU have nothing to do with,they basically thought leaving the EU would mean we can bomb little boats in the channel.
Let’s face it Johnson appealed used racist tropes to appeal to these people and get his vote through and those who still back,sadly majority in blue, still feel that way. hence the anything but free movement EU deal,ironically free movement never encouraged the Muslims and brown people they despise coming,our bombs did
EU laws and EHCR dependence has had an unforeseen effect on the UK . It has exposed our lazy good for nothing Mp’s and politicians for what they are, they wanted this control and can’t handle it.They are all hiding behind party rules that keep them in a job once elected until they are voted out at an election,no wonder we have such shoddy MP’s they don’t have to be any good
Leaving the EU has exposed us to them and the deal done has basically screwed us and left us at the mercy of corrupt bosses ,they even made going on holiday harder ffs

[Heath]

“The EU have many regulations that control food standards,mechanical standards, air quality, water quality etc etc etc”,

And good standards they are too!! The UK Government was an active participant in drafting these standards and then implementing them into UK legislation.

If you prefer more sewage in our rivers and coastal waters, more children getting asthma, dodgy chicken, fewer workers rights you know who to vote for. Truss and the Tories will be on your side.

We weren’t controlled by the EU. We were a member state, with more preferential options than any other member.

[64]

Semantics,EU laws were controlling us,that’s fact.
That some were good doesn’t negate that fact.

[Heath]

Not semantics at all. We were a member state!!

[64]

The point being made EU rules effected our lives,someone above claimed it didn’t

[Siderite]

EU membership undoubtedly led to homogenisation in trade regulations, meaning we pooled our sovereignty on this. They never controlled every aspect of our lives, like bpg seems to imply.

[64]

As for our unelected rabble? They are an elected rabble chosen from elected representatives in the house.That we elect idiots is our own fault

[Deereyme66]

Typical usual suspects, and Tory backing billionaires, blaming Brexit for everything!

Super wealthy private-equity investor Guy Hands says the British economy is “frankly doomed” unless the government succeeds in fundamentally changing the Brexit negotiated by Boris Johnson. He says Truss’s disastrous unfunded tax cuts were necessitated by Brexit but…

— Robert Peston (@Peston) October 24, 2022

[Gurnelista]

The country’s EU membership was like membership of many clubs/associations/organisations – it requires you to abide by the rules, as well as take part in the making of them through your own representatives.

It’s a bit like a football club being a member of the F.A. or the Football League. If you want to compete with other clubs, you can’t just make up your own rules on say, the size of the goal, the application of the offside rule, or choose who you want to play against.

Sometimes the EU rules seem unfair or unfavourable for Britain, other times it’s just the opposite, and other countries complain.

While it wasn’t always to Britain’s benefit, overall and without doubt there were way more advantages than disadvantages to membership than being alone in the universe, as we’ve seen since leaving.

It’s important not to let ‘perfect’ be the enemy of the good. Unfortunately, that’s what Farage and the Tory far-right managed to do, getting the country where it is today – completely out of control.

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[Just Iron]

I think that is a reasonable and decent perspective, Gurney … and well presented …. even though I take a different position.

[Heath]

“even though I take a different position”.

That would be the wrong one then.

[Heath]

23 posts in and still not a single benefit!!

[TwoWrights]

Gurnelista wrote:

It’s a bit like a football club being a member of the F.A. or the Football League. If you want to compete with other clubs, you can’t just make up your own rules on say, the size of the goal…

‘Some’ have recently tried doing just that! 😊🐯

[Deereyme66]

Just Iron wrote:

I think that is a reasonable and decent perspective, Gurney … and well presented …. even though I take a different position.

If it’s reasonable and decent, why do you take a different perspective JI? Genuinely baffled.

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[Iron-awe]

I’m guessing he’s not referring to the missionary position? Well it has been a complete fu** up since Brexit.

[Just Iron]

Thanks for a genuine and logical … and on the face of it ‘courteous’ response , Deerey. You have ‘previous’ on this …. which I appreciate.

I don’t think it’s a secret that I am not in favour of how the EU emerged out of the initial economic cooperation. Although I was roundly mocked for stating that some things should be judged over a longer timespan than a few years I still hold to that. There’s certainly plenty of evidence/activity across the EU to indicate that all may not be well in coming years.
I definitely agree that some of our present economic woes are attributable to the economic pain of leaving the EU. If I didn’t believe that the path it took was pretty well inevitable then I could even be tempted for the old days of purely economic union. But I’m not really even tempted on that.

(I’ll post this then add a bit more … unless I get jumped on first…. because I keep losing text and it’s a bit frustrating)

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[Deereyme66]

Oh, okay. Starting to understand your different perspective now. Thanks.

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Just Iron

[Just Iron]

Have a bit more to say but have made myself late for the Hospital. A minor op today … if I make it through I will add a final bit later

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