Supporters showed their feelings at the end

[TheJuryeffsOut]

Siderite wrote:

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

If you don’t think that players, managers and club officials don’t look on here and read what is said about them you’re kidding yourself.

They don’t have to read it though. It is possible to ignore. They can’t avoid people yelling at them.

I really don’t think that is correct. If it is then anyone would be allowed to post anything on here or other social media and say the person offended shouldn’t have looked.

[Siderite]

Personally, I think jibes about footballers or coaching staff are par the course and perfectly reasonable, so long as they don’t cross a line or tag in the person involved. I don’t think a Kes reference for Jimmy Dean’s coaching ability is too personal for it to cross a line, nor was Jimmy Dean tagged into it, so it’s ok.

People make mockeries of many people for various reasons, including politicians, egotistical celebs and talking heads. I don’t see what’s wrong with that, but making such comments to their face or in an online message is another matter. Such comments on here aren’t intended to be directed straight at the players or coaches, so they aren’t harassment. They would be if Jimmy Dean was being tagged into them all the time.

[Siderite]

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

Siderite wrote:

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

If you don’t think that players, managers and club officials don’t look on here and read what is said about them you’re kidding yourself.

They don’t have to read it though. It is possible to ignore. They can’t avoid people yelling at them.

I really don’t think that is correct. If it is then anyone would be allowed to post anything on here or other social media and say the person offended shouldn’t have looked.

Boundaries exist, such as no racism or abuse aimed at family members. I don’t think a Kes clip counts as anything like that. It will be a poorer world if we can’t make light hearted fun because of someone else’s offence, which is ripe for abuse. Every control freak would claim to be offended by anything they don’t like if we’re supposed to take any case of perceived offence as reason for removing posts. There’s a difference between posting such jokes on a message board where they don’t have to look and yelling at people in their faces or directing messages towards them. If these posts on here were being sent in response to the coach or player in question, I think there would be a point. They aren’t though.

[cassidystash]

Siderite wrote:

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

If you don’t think that players, managers and club officials don’t look on here and read what is said about them you’re kidding yourself.

They don’t have to read it though. It is possible to ignore. They can’t avoid people yelling at them.

They can if they do the job they’re paid for to the best of their ability.

[TheJuryeffsOut]

I respectfully disagree with you guys on this. You are wanting to have your cake and eat it, and draw your lines where you feel your personal level of being nice to people is.
I am willing to accept someone shouting “you’re a fecking disgrace” after travelling hours and paying for the privilege in the same way I see the piss taking topics and posts ridiculing players and managers.

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Awaywego

[Deereyme66]

I respectfully disagree with you TJO. There was a level of mob hostility and aggressive abuse in that clip that shouldn’t be acceptable in a public arena.

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Siderite

[Siderite]

I don’t think I am responsible for others coming on here and being offended by the rubbish I spout. I am not forcing them to read it and it’s not directed at them. I would be if I started saying the same thing to their faces or by messaging them.

Have I Got News For You can be quite scathing about politicians, like Michael Gove for example. Some of it is not positive, but it’s not harassment, since he doesn’t have to watch the show. It would be if Ian Hislop went up to Gove in public and started taking the mick out of him. It gives him no chance to have his own personal freedom. I don’t think it would be Hislop having his cake and eating it if he satirises Gove on HIGNFY, but refrains from directing any of it at him if he spots Gove leaving parliament.

I worry that if jibes are out of bounds, we are liable to losing any kind of critique in a socially acceptable manner, where any control freak can say that criticism in any form is harassing them and we can’t air our minds without being seen as bullies. There does have to be some limits, which is why I don’t think airing abuse to faces, tagging players into critical tweets or mocking comments is great.

Anyway, that’s just my opinion. :-)

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Deereyme66

[64]

Equating acting like a deranged mob in someone’s face with a web conversation that can be ignored or not even known about? I disrespectfully suggest I was right above

[TheJuryeffsOut]

Firstly, that video isn’t a deranged mob or directly in anyone’s face.
Secondly, I wouldn’t expect anything else but disrespectfully from what I see you post on here. You do your nastiness and the fans shouting at actual football matches can do theirs. I’ll defend equally the rights of you and them to be able to do it.

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Richard Ballard, Awaywego

[64]

Are there two videos? Or were you just brought up badly?

[Iron-awe]

64 wrote:

Are there two videos? Or were you just brought up badly?

Is that an opinion bordering on personal abuse?,let The Juryeff decide.

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Awaywego

[Awaywego]

Let’s not forget we all have different opinions on abuse and when acceptable and not, if it was Whitehall say was the only one who got abuse on Tuesday many would deem that acceptable. Just the same as many complaining now about the abuse thought it was acceptable to boo KVV on to the pitch in his sub appearance in the first game of the season that time.
Personally I think they got away lightly they’d have got so much more if so many hadn’t left and made there way home. If we had gone in a car we would have left at half time.

[Deereyme66]

‘Just the same as many complaining now about the abuse thought it was acceptable to boo KVV on to the pitch’

Are they? Sounds convenient! You’ve got what, 4-5 people on here complaining about it? Pretty sure I wasn’t one of those who said it was okay re: KVV. You must mean the other 3-4.

[Awaywego]

Well you were one of them Deerey, just a shame post from back then aren’t there anymore.

[Deereyme66]

‘If we had gone in a car we would have left at half time.’ Exactly. Bit more civilised.

[Deereyme66]

Awaywego wrote:

Well you were one of them Deerey, just a shame post from back then aren’t there anymore.

Don’t think so. But in any case, booing on to the pitch is another poor comparison IMO

[Awaywego]

In context with 46 games of the season to go for Kev against a maximum of 9 for them, booing was say we don’t want you on the pitch. Your a disgrace, shite, useless, all with the f word somewhere about, is it really all about the f word.
I’ll stand by my recollection Deerey like i said shame posts were lost.

[64]

Iron-awe wrote:

64 wrote:

Are there two videos? Or were you just brought up badly?

Is that an opinion bordering on personal abuse?,let The Juryeff decide.

It’s an opinion based on the old fashioned idea that behaviour is taught and the outside chance he may have seen a different video, If you think acting like a baying mob is OK somebody taught you that it is ok.
My actual thoughts are even stronger and would be considered abuse,
I also saw some idiot try minimise the actions of those who attacked the keeper at the last home game by saying “they didn’t hit him”
We see this crap all the time,what violent world do they live in to consider it ok?

[TheJuryeffsOut]

64 wrote:

Are there two videos? Or were you just brought up badly?

No on both counts.
I’ve just been unfortunate enough to see what actually is a deranged mob and to have experienced direct personal in my face abuse.
Also, I don’t see this quoted post from 64 as personal abuse even though it is meant to aggravate me by questioning my upbringing, just like branding people as clueless morons. I’m just not dropping to that level I’ve read enough from 64 to know what he means and his posts are usually cryptic or obtuse.

[cassidystash]

“We see this crap all the time,what violent world do they live in to consider it ok?”

Some would say it’s the real world these days. Certainly things considered unacceptable in my youth seem to be accepted now, for instance nobody I knew in those days took drugs or carried a knife, both now fairly commonplace. I don’t like it either but sadly it’s all around us and likely to remain so.

[Siderite]

I think booing any of our own players is bad and certainly not condoned booing of King Kev.

I disagree with TJO, but don’t see the need to be so personal.

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TheJuryeffsOut

[Awaywego]

Cass.Just because you didn’t know anyone doesn’t mean it wasn’t prevalent in town Berkeley on a Sunday night
was a well known drug place, long haired people tripping out on the big staircase there, in the music room films shown at speed (mainly of moving traffic) with another screen showing coloured blobs moving for them on acid.
Thank god I was not one of them, women and beer and footy were my drug, youngsters of today wouldn’t go far wrong following my example one son has and up to now 2 grandkids have.

[Deereyme66]

Brilliant.

[Northumbiron]

Four pints of Ayingerbrau Pils used to do it for me!

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Awaywego

[Iron-awe]

The Bridge ( as it was known then ) back in the early seventies was another drug fueled experience. You could walk in most Saturday nights and the atmosphere was heavy in cannabis smoke. Couple of pints and a couple of hours just breathing that smoke in usually made for a decent night, girls were also a lot friendlier in there too, ah my misspent youth.

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Awaywego

[Awaywego]

You know we’re the same age Ironawe where we’re your hangouts, mine were Baths winter,hospital club summers on a Saturday, iron&steel tues and Friday, Sunday a mix of priory, coffee bin, Sherpa when bands were on and of course the odd trip to the Berkeley. Mmm did appear we used to drink a lot soft drinks only though.
Come in with an edit. Stupid question there’s only Ridings left that I can think of.

[Iron-awe]

Mainly pub crawling round town Awaywego, The Wortley ( Jigsaw Disco which was crap ) Priory, Ashby Star and Brown Cow, both long gone but not forgotten, Cocked Hat, Polish Club, Henry The Eighth ( The Crosby ) and The Sherpa of course. Watched a lot of visiting bands there, remember one called Purple Sand, a three piece dressed in purple suits, pretty good though, did a mean version of Quos Sweet Caroline. Even did the folk club occasionally down at The Berkley on a Sunday night I believe it was, where I got my love of playing acoustic guitar.

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Awaywego

[CMC]

TheJuryeffsOut wrote:

I get it now, It would seem you’re taking the chance to have a dig at the iron hour people, particularly Bell. I don’t watch them, I wrote them off totally over their performances with Hilton, and there is too much swearing in their podcasts, I’m late to the party on here but there’s obviously no love lost between you moderators on here and them – probably rightly so.
However don’t lump me or any other posters on here as “a complete and utter mindless moron” for expressing an opinion about annoyed supporters shouting at players after a garbage performance, when it is apparently acceptable for you guys to post stuff like this :

That is online bullying of Dean, and there’s many more similar comments in other topics.
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Jimmy Dean takes personal charge of training

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He’s resorted to throwing accusations at anyone to protect his mate.

He accused me of being in cahoots with Jason Herbert, i’ve never met the bloke(hard itself when i’m not normally in Scunny)but saying he was a Daft lad, that’s all the evidence right there.

There are some Hilton apologists on here who have held their hands up and admitted they were wrong, fair enough.

But some can’t. Maybe if they do they won’t be able to show their face in **** Pub/Club again.

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