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July 4, 2023 at 7:09 pm #265517
” supposed to be Quibell Park” Rumour or fact?
“Swann was being an arse and not sorting out things that he should have sorted out for the sale to go ahead.” Proof or accusations?
Stop living between the lines BurneyJuly 4, 2023 at 8:54 pm #265528‘the seller then moved the goal posts.’
Evidence? Some are keen to request evidence when it suits. Where’s the evidence for this? Someone saying it at a closed shop forum, and not publishing it after the event doesn’t count as evidence btw.
WG does seem to be the most wonderfully credulous person on the internet.
July 5, 2023 at 11:01 am #265554Anyhoo…getting this back on track; As of 11AM 5th July the accounts are *still* overdue:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622
July 5, 2023 at 11:04 am #265555I wish I’d said credulous
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July 5, 2023 at 7:15 pm #265616It was a administration oversight and should show on Company House in a couple of days, according to Radio Humberside
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July 5, 2023 at 8:26 pm #265619I wish I’d said credulous
But not acocunts?
July 5, 2023 at 9:38 pm #265625It was a administration oversight and should show on Company House in a couple of days, according to Radio Humberside
And still they keep rolling off the tongue!
1) The club applied for an extension to the filing deadline.
2) Hilton discussed the accounts and the filing of the same in an interview he did which was released by the club on 02/04/23. Hilton said that the accounts would be filed W/C 03/04/23.
3) At the fans’ forum on 17/05/23, the filing of the accounts was discussed.
4) There have been umpteen discussions on this forum when the accounts were not filed W/C 03/04/23 (as promised) that would act as a reminder to Hilton.
It’s a shame that Radio Humberside didn’t ask Hilton why the accounts for his own business, Maxwell Cohen Ltd are 15 months overdue. Perhaps another administrative oversight, eh!
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July 6, 2023 at 12:28 pm #265674As of 12:37PM 6th July the accounts are *still* overdue:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622
July 6, 2023 at 12:55 pm #265676He said yesterday it would be a couple of days Darren
July 8, 2023 at 6:22 am #266010Still marked as overdue.
He has an excuse I suppose, he’s more pressing things to worry about now with all these burner accounts on Twitter.July 8, 2023 at 10:29 am #266034I was an employee all my working life and have zero knowledge of filing accounts. Can somebody who knows (not think they know) explain why accounts need to be filed for a company that Mr Hilton only took over in January.
July 8, 2023 at 10:51 am #266037When Hilton agreed terms with Peter Swann for Scunthorpe United, it resulted in him becoming the majority shareholder of an existing business. Since incorporation, the business has a filing deadline for it’s annual accounts and annual return which the director(s) at that point are responsible for.
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July 8, 2023 at 5:32 pm #266090A company has 9 months after each financial year end to submit audited or examined accounts Cass (if income is above a threshold-can’t remember what it is now). Hilton took over the company before the 9 month period was up, before Swann submitted them (I have to submit them for a company and always leave it till the last minute tbh as it’s quite tedious helping to prep them with the accountant), so the responsibility became his as sole Director at the time. All incorporated companies have to do this by law to ensure they’re operating within the law and not dodgy dealing. This is why people are rightly questioning Mr Hilton / White’s past filing records for past and present businesses. Though, that is not to suggest anything outside of the law has been taking place. I’m just explaining how it works, why, and why people are asking questions.
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July 10, 2023 at 4:55 pm #266243Accounts no longer showing overdue on Companies House.
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July 10, 2023 at 5:12 pm #266244Oh, no. What can this mean?
July 10, 2023 at 5:20 pm #266246One of the Happy Clapper Admins is an accountant, he’s called in a favour this morning.
July 10, 2023 at 5:48 pm #266247Oh, no. What can this mean?
It means IB is frantically looking for some fresh shite to post
July 10, 2023 at 5:50 pm #266248it means that a guy who had a record of filing late has filed late again.
how is the truth shite?July 10, 2023 at 8:11 pm #266252Great! Where’s the celebration party?
July 10, 2023 at 8:22 pm #266253Pleased to hear Hilton’s accountant has got over Covid.
July 10, 2023 at 8:47 pm #266254it means that a guy who had a record of filing late has filed late again.
how is the truth shite?…and still they keep rolling off the tongue. They have been filed, who cares🤔
July 10, 2023 at 8:53 pm #266255I particularly like this bit (shakes head) –
1.2 Going concern
These financial statements are prepared on the going concern basis. Since purchasing the shares from the former controlling party, the director has repaid the historical HMRC debt which was previously the subject of a winding up order. In a club statement, the director has said that the remaining debts will be eradicated in due course and he’ll be looking to put the football club on a sustainable model as quickly as possible.THE ERADICATION OF THE DEBTS WILL INVOLVE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE COMPANY AS EQUITY OR LOANS. DETAILED PLANS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING DRAWN UP but in the meantime the going concern basis is dependent upon the continuing support of the director.
However, based on the accumulated losses to date and the quantity of historic debt, there remains a material uncertainty as to whether all liabilities will be met as they fall due for at least 12 months from the signing of these accounts.
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The eradication of debt will involve taking out more loans, which donut came up with that cracker? LOANS ARE DEBT. Never mind the fact that Hilton categorically stated that he would not be financing the club with loans.July 10, 2023 at 9:26 pm #266256Scunthorpe United publish 21/22 accounts. Disappointing club used small co option to disclose less info & ⬇️ transparency. Losses £170k in 21/22, but would have been closer to £600k had it not been for a loan written off. Total losses £11.4m & technically insolvent pic.twitter.com/MZFdyzyw1g
— Kieran Maguire (@KieranMaguire) July 10, 2023
July 10, 2023 at 10:33 pm #266259I am skeptical of Mr Hilton , but from a balanced perspective he delivered the accounts so I would say that’s a tick in the box .
Now Iron fans need clarity over the ground situation sooner rather than later , to avoid yet more uncertainty and divide.
Time for Mr Hilton and Mr Swann to realise the fans and the club are far more important than them, legals and egos .
July 11, 2023 at 2:12 am #266260Oh, no. What can this mean?
It means IB is frantically looking for some fresh shite to post
As sure as night follows day ..
Pleased the accounts issue can be ticked off the to do list ..until next year then.
Agree with richgy its time for DH n PS to sit down n get the GP mess sorted giving the fans and players stability and hopefully a boost for the up coming season.
Next up Winterton away later today hope its a decent game and a good turn out.
July 11, 2023 at 8:34 am #266265Debts serviced by further loans. That’s a big concern as it leaves club very precarious. Or should I not be bothered about this? Happy to see sensible replies. Just a point and question. Thanks.
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July 11, 2023 at 8:45 am #266267I’m no businessman but from what Kieran Maguire who’s an expert in football finance we should be extremely concerned.
The accounts show that Swann was pumping in £2 million a year of his own money to keep the club going until he pulled the plug.
Seeing has Hilton obviously doesn’t have access to that amount of his own finance, if he had he wouldn’t be intimating he will finance it through loans surely, or perhaps that’s the way businessman operate now.I only see one outcome, unfortunately it’s the one none of us want.
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July 11, 2023 at 9:06 am #266269There’s a pretty chunky loan on the books, do we know what it might be for?
July 11, 2023 at 9:21 am #266270Debt at most clubs are managed by loans if was acceptable for St Wharton it should be acceptable to Mr Hilton, as for Swanny he exchanged the 11 million pounds of debt for the ground, at the time I thought that was a fair outcome but in hindsight I would rather the club had the debt instead and had to enter administration when Swanny walked away, im sure we would be in a better position now. Heh oh.
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July 11, 2023 at 9:29 am #266272Anonymous
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Excuse my ignorance as I am no accountant.
If the club has net liabilities of 2 1/2 million and we have loss reserves of 11 1/2 million, then does that equate to £14M ?
This seems to be offset by £9M in called up share capital?
14-9 = £5M ?
Like I said – I’m no accountant!
Called Up Share Capital:
Called-up share capital consists of shares that are not fully paid for upfront. The full payment for these shares will be done in the future at a later date or through installment payments.So, who currently holds the £9M of called up shares?
Are we £23M in the red – if we were to owe no one anything and all the shares were owned by Hilton and not club owned?
If I won the lottery, would I need £23M to own the entirety of the operation and to have no debts or loans?
Not my area – but I’d like to know more.
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