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Play with fire and you’ll get burned.
Commit a CRIMINAL offence and you’ll get handcuffed.
Stop being such crybabies.
What criminal offence was he charged with, and when did the case go to court?
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Topics: 11Whether he is charged is upto the authorities. The FACT of the matter is he committed an offence by entering the ‘field of play’ and was dealt with accordingly.
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Whether he is charged is upto the authorities. The FACT of the matter is he committed an offence by entering the ‘field of play’ and was dealt with accordingly.
Wheras a few weeks back the Rochdale fans who entered the ‘ field of play ‘ were allowed to leave without objection, difficult when there is more than one I appreciate but if the lad yesterday was treated like he was to set an example I fear the stewards/security are in for a surprise last home game of the season.
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‘where do we go from here apart from downwards at an alarming rate I fear’
Edging close to Haircut 100 there I-A. Pack it in!
Aye well spotted, unfortunately it didn’t turn out to be a ” Fantastic Day “.
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As a long time supporter of the Iron including during those so-called hooligan years the behaviour of the stewards towards young HOME supporters is disgraceful.
Yesterday’s unsavoury handcuff incident was embarrassing and shameful.
I often witness the AWAY fans stood up in the seats or even at the wall in the away end several deep on the concourse this has on more than one occasion led to away fans jumping onto the pitch when their team scores. These so called fans are led back and assisted over the wall by the stewards and certainly not ‘cuffed’.
Of course those Away fans are men over 18 not like the 14/15 year old home fans being provoked and pushed around by over zealous stewarding including robocop complete with epaulets, pips and handcuffs.
Another negative to add to Ernest Pawns CV.
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I don’t like the current level of stewarding and the general approach. I was right behind the incident and was genuinely fearful of an invasion and attack on the stewards who a) would have been swamped by the young lads congregated at the front b) looked physically inadequate … two of the 8 or 9 were young girls and at least one was a small, elderly guy. This really needs looking at for the last few games. As I said before …. the guy who jumped the wall seemed to have some sort of intention beyond leading an invasion. Maybe there had been an exchange which I didn’t hear; maybe there had been previous issues; maybe he knew him from elsewhere … I don’t know … but the lad who jumped the wall launched into that particular steward with the intention of giving him a pasting and, whether banned or not, should be on an assault charge.
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Good post JI, just a quick couple of questions.
Do you think the lad should have been handcuffed behind his back?
Have you ever seen an Iron fan handcuffed behind his/her back by steward / security staff in all the years you have watched the Iron?My answers are no and no and I’ve watched the Iron 58 years.
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SIA Security Industry Authority
There is no law in the UK that prevents civilians carrying handcuffs. SIA licensed security operatives have no legal powers over and above other civilians. Anyone who does carry handcuffs should be aware that their use could constitute a crime, unless they can show that using them was reasonable and proportionate in the circumstances.
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Topics: 11They should Pat, although there’s a difference between running on the pitch in celebration and swinging for a steward.
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To add to my previous …. I have never seen anyone handcuffed anywhere before last Saturday. Equally I have never felt so concerned that genuine violence was about to erupt since the Grimsby battles at the Showground (maybe once when some Leeds fans were in the wrong end) … and that a handful of Stewards were about to be given a kicking. I suspect that the situation on Saturday is not easy to dissect and is a mixture of the differing points made in this thread. I have seen what appears to be apparently provocative/ heavy handed stewarding in the last couple of months … maybe partly a result of the flares. Possibly to stamp out the anger and frustration many of us are feeling that is hard to express when you’re knocking on a bit … but much easier when you’re a teenager and bonded in a sizeable group. There is no doubt that away supporters seem to be almost allowed to invade at will and it’s only the home end where standards are rigorously enforced. It’s not looking good for the remaining few games unless there is some careful analysis and response. My wife and a few friends were lined up for possibly our last game in the League … we are of that age where we may well see no more … but I think I’ll be on my own after Saturday. I suspect we will be seeing more Police in the last few games.
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They should Pat, although there’s a difference between running on the pitch in celebration and swinging for a steward.
The Rochdale berks were doing more than celebrating a goal, they actively intimidated our players and could have done more if they were inclined, as the stewards didn’t stop them. Rochdale fans reported that the stewards shook their hands.
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They should Pat, although there’s a difference between running on the pitch in celebration and swinging for a steward.
And how does a steward know what somebody’s intentions are when running on the pitch? The Rochdale fan that got right in our players faces was not even ejected let alone slammed to the ground and cuffed!!! There has to be consistency or people get pi55ed off, that incident could have very easily turned VERY nasty on Saturday, all down to over zealous stewarding, I saw the incident and didn’t see any punches swung at the steward (not saying it didn’t happen) but not from where I was sat.
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HANDCUFFS and TIEWRAPS !!!
A new low reached.
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Heavy handed and unnecessary given the number of stewards stood watching could easily have been done without handcuffs, I suspect this will be discussed on humberside sports talk tonight.
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For balance, the fan jumped over the wall and appeared to swing a punch at the steward. I do not know what happened in the build up, but his actions cannot be condoned.
There were, however, enough stewards in the vicinity to deal with him appropriately without the use of cable ties and handcuffs once he was taken to the floor.
The heavy handed stewarding has undoubtedly led to this point and I fear we will see more ugly scenes in the final three home games.
Told the fan will be punished with a season ticket for next season!😉
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I would add to a few posts above about it being unnecessary and heavy handed; how do you think the police would have handled that? Would they have wrestled and cuffed him, potentially inflaming a volatile situation? I think not, he’d have been restrained and kicked out and the group talked to to diffuse further disturbance. The security firm have handled it very badly IMO.
I’m pretty sure he’ll be aware of the incident by now awaywego.
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Nice now to have an outlet Deerey, i would imagine is inbox will be busy I’ve already asked for him to do something else, can’t email him over the stewarding issue I wasn’t there to see.
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but his actions cannot be condoned.
I don’t think anyone has condoned his actions, he was out of order jumping over the wall, but then so were the Rochdale fans that came on the pitch AND confronted our players, they got a hand shake and a helping hand back to their seat!
A point was raised early on in this discussion when someone mentioned the fan may have fallen and injured himself badly because his hands were restrained and therefore could not break his fall. If you read the law again about civilians using handcuffs there is a section that reads using them could constitute a crime. If somebody was injured as a result of being cuffed then the steward/security could find themselves in very hot water. This is just another reminder of how inappropriate the actions taken against the fan on Saturday were. The stewards are not the Police end of.
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Topics: 11He wasn’t handcuffed until he was on the floor and then he was escorted out the stadium so unlikely to fall!
Do you lot disagree with the police handcuffing people incase they fall or is it just ‘fans’ who swing punches at security staff (as confirmed by SST) who can get away with it?
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Security guards are permitted to carry handcuffs and then use them to perform a citizen’s arrest when required. It is suggested that they have the correct training before using them while on the job. Therefore, they can use them in a safe manner so they don’t injure themselves or anybody else.HE WAS TRAINED SECURITY PERSONNEL NOT A STEWARD!
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