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But the capacity cap wasn’t crap.
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I feel like a bit of an observer of all of this wrangling … though someone did accuse me of ‘popping in’ a few weeks ago when I ventured a comment. Obviously made the mistake of thinking that a forum was for sharing opinions.
My opinion on the sort of exchange I see above is that there is a lack of generosity towards Hilton which manifests from some posters in zero appreciation of any achievements and total recognition of any failings. He may be battling to come to terms with the step up he has made ..in financial and other terms… he may even have bitten off more than he can chew … but I think Pat and others are sick of the absence of ‘slack’ being given. Some of the posters repeatedly take it past the kind of respectful reservation that Deerey and Sidey defend. My view is that there are several posters with a grudge against either Hilton or the club and I’m not surprised that folks are exasperated with them. All the constant hints at financial collapse, eviction and defamation of Hilton will have cost the club at least some amount of support ..maybe 10 or 20 or 50 season tickets. I don’t expect it to stop anytime soon but hope that we get through choppy waters and people’s worst fears can be left behind.I can understand why posts like ironeye/ironinsider’s get people’s backs up. He never makes any comment on us other than to just deride Hilton and it does come across gleeful when something happens. The problem is that some actual problems do exist and have been unearthed through the last few months.
I want the club to succeed, hope such concerns are ill founded. However, so far they haven’t eleviated. I am equally tired of Pat, and others, just lumping anyone not as gleeful about Hilton as not being true fans and just stoking division because some have a different opinion. That won’t convince sceptics that such concerns are wrong. Some may never be, but others might. Things like the CCJ, wage issue and SAG supporter cap can be worked around and explained. However they hint at a bigger problem to me (all of which seems to involve money, and they don’t give the impression that Hilton can afford to run the club as it should), and I don’t think it can definitely be written off as Swann’s legacy entirely. I will try to be fair to Hilton and say that he’s done a good job in backing a good squad for this level, but off the pitch matters count for our existence. Next week’s court case could be terrible for the club and we may need to accept that Hilton shares part of the blame (Swann already does and won’t get away with it without blame). Unfortunately I feel some will just attack anyone who thinks Hilton has partial responsibility no matter what. The converse may be true too, but that doesn’t make my point any less valid, I think.
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” I just hope we can keep it pretty civil and posters don’t revert to being disrespectful of each other, insulting and abusing.”
It couldn’t get any worse, we’ve had people’s homes pin pointed on google earth with sinister messages like ” how’s (wife’s name)” ,we’re watching you
We’ve had people threatened with having their throats slit ‘
We’ve had one case of a person ,proporting to be Hilton on twitter finding out what he wrongly thought was a twitter users real name and suggesting he was a convicted paedophile by searching his wrong name and promoting stories about a genuine paedo and intimating it’s this particular Twitter user.
Personally I don’t care what this chairman does at SUFC anymore, I just know he attracts the sort of persons above and hasn’t ever distanced himself from such behaviour and for that I find him distasteful .
I also don’t like that little verifiable business record, by verifiable I mean at companies house .
As for his own online behaviour and shoot from the hip pronouncements, good grief!2 users thanked author for this post.
Yeah, aware of all that 64. I meant trying to be civil and respectful of each other on Bru.
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I don’t know what the intentions of those posters are either JI. But I thought you were a big advocate of free speech? So I find your posts on this a bit confusing. Personally, I’m glad this is a space where they can raise these issues and discuss them (as long as it’s not lies and libellous) without, in the main, getting jumped on by a mob and banned. Not sure how much you are aware of what goes on on Twitter and the fans Facebook group, but IMO it’s got to the stage where nothing but praise for Hilton is tolerated. To the extent that one of the groups moderators was taken to task by some on there for being slightly critical about the first half against Darlo, then yesterday is celebrating ànother poster asking where all the ‘Dean haters’ have gone, by saying, ‘probably on Twitter or message boards’, (I.e. Bru). So if you think it’s bad on here, at least people are free to air their views without the risk of persecution or worse, the stuff that 64 has cited, which has all happened.
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OK Some measured responses ..and some made their minds up and no way back. As always … I’m not sure what those who think Dave Hilton is a villain with bad intentions are posting for. To be proved right in the end? To damage the man? To taint any glimmers of light for ordinary Joes? To make any turnaround and progress more difficult? Or, as they maintain, all for the sake of truth and integrity. Place your bets.
I don’t want to damage anyone but cannot accept what is happening in his name and in support of him. That’s really damaging, anything damaging we try to remove from here if not true or unable to prove,hence some Saturday night melt downs we get
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Fair enough JI – apologies if I’ve got the wrong end of the stick. I didn’t think you viewed Twitter and Facebook, that’s why I raised awareness of some of the more crazy and vitriolic stuff in those spheres. My point was more to do with criticism and scepticism of the club owner being shouted down / hounded out. In a similar fashion as ‘cancel culture’. We don’t have that on Bru, and for that reason I’m wary of those posters being targeted to the extent they stop posting. The Iron Insider meltdown episode is an isolated and different matter mind.
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