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No there are not , Simon Elliott obviously bleeds the colours of your club and is a good guy ,worried and hurting .
Due to that whatever the outcome he has been caught in the crossfire of what is going on because he wants answers and he cares – whether he knows the whole truth himself is something we all will have to wait for .
Are verbal insults really necessary?
No, they are not Les, but it works both ways. The amount of insults hurled at anyone critical of Hilton on here and other platforms over the last few months has been ridiculous. So too the whole burner account issue on Twitter that continues. Insulting Simon is not wanted, and neither is the aforementioned.
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IB I think you should change your username to “Obsessive Bystander”.
Some of your contributions are getting ridiculous!
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very unfair criticism of one of the people who have tried the hardest to save the club, David Hilton wants to do it alone what I gather from Simon and Raj but seems to keep them in the loop with what is going on
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Understand the the supporters fears and rightly so, But I can’t believe the amount of backstabbing and pure vitriol Hilton and Simon are getting! It appears Only Scunny fans can abuse the man who saved our club.
Simon only wants the club to thrive again and is trying to link the club with its supporters, so those who are writing all these posts and slagging off the two of them please just remember where we was three months ago and give them a chance.
Agree BartonIron66. There should be no slagging off / insult trading and abuse of those supportive of Hilton and Elliott. There should also be space for questioning Hilton and Elliott without being insulted and abused too. That’s fair isn’t it?
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Simon,
For a man who has tangible and considerable net assets (see what I did there)Yes, I see what you did! You changed from trying to discredit our new owner to trying to discredit a widely respected supporter. Who’s next?
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Hilton excepts he made mistakes! And yes people have the right to question him (rightly so after Swann) but do they need to be so abusive in doing so, we have a club and all need to pull together to get rid of the poison that’s is eating away at the club.
I’m not being funny but this doesn’t paint an accurate picture of what’s been happening on Twitter and Facebook, and certainly not on here. The majority of posts critical of Hilton and questioning, by far, have not been abusive. Abuse and insult trading has happened between supporters more often, and has usually initiated from those not happy with the critics, questioning and concerns. Sorry if you don’t agree with that, I’m only commenting on what I see out there. There’s a real danger of fans with concerns being closed down / out with this and that’s not wise.
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In an ideal world we would pull together but this stadium and land situation was always bound to spilt opinion and it is beyond our control and influence. We’ll just have to wait see how it develops or unravels, preferably without insulting and abusing each other.
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I honestly think anyone who buys a club now , who is not a fan is going to get there motives questioned and rightly so – in the wider scheme of things putting whether Hilton is good ,bad or indifferent aside the amount of clubs being ‘shafted’ by people who are not ‘one of their own’ seems to be growing and growing look at Yeovil ,Southend , Wigan and Morecambe to name a few recently .
Even though we are talking about The Iron here it’s a problem in football on the whole – more transparency and fan involvement is key at any club for me .
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I agree, Deerey. I am no fan of the “carry on clapping” or snide remarks about Elliott or whoever. I see BadApple is making comments about Elliott just wanting to worm his way in with the owner at the time. However, a lot of the fuss comes when someone raises a concern or question and gets derided and insulted. There will always be division if those wanting to back Hilton more strongly resort to this when dealing with critics.
I am not going to cast negative assertions on those wanting to back Hilton and hope for the best. In return I expect to not be slammed and judged for raising a question about Hilton. Ultimately, most want to succeed and if the ground issues are sorted in Hilton’s favour and all other concerns amount to nothing, then great. However, I am not willing to turn off critical faculties and refrain from questioning where I see fit, because it makes life easier. That would just be kicking the can down the road and ignoring a potentially damaging situation to make short term happiness when long term problems may prevail.
For fan unity, I think all need to realise that those backing Hilton and those with questions want the club to succeed, so we all need to reflect on how we interact with other fans. Not just Hilton critics, because Hilton backers too, since some of them seem to instigate the tension. This club matters way more than Hilton’s ego. We should be prepared to stand for it, no matter who is at fault for the ground situation. Interested Bystander is right when he talks of means of doing something for the club with engagement across fans. This can work with the owner when needs be, but if something goes wrong there can be a stand, especially if media contacts are made and the situation can be brought to light. It might not do anything, but trying something is more likely to succeed than pity.
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‘Even though we are talking about The Iron here it’s a problem in football on the whole – more transparency and fan involvement is key at any club for me’
Couldn’t agree more. A supporter yesterday on Twitter asking why there is only Hilton on the Board still, got pounced on for supposedly not giving him a chance to form one. Some said ‘let him get on with sorting the mess out on his own for a bit’, others said ‘he’s only just arrived!. There’s always going to be concerns and wariness with a sole Board member, and rightly so.
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Simon,
For a man who has tangible and considerable net assets (see what I did there)Yes, I see what you did! You changed from trying to discredit our new owner to trying to discredit a widely respected supporter. Who’s next?
My opening remark which you have kindly quoted was me doffing my hat to Simon. In a World populated with fantasists and bull hitters, it’s nice to see someone who has had a traceable career and has significant net assets to prove it. Quite the contrast.
As for those defending Simon because of what he’s done for the club, I have no problems with that but you are basing your opinion of him on how he has dealt with historical matters so please don’t have the audacity to tell me that history doesn’t matter when I express my concerns regarding Hilton. The sheer hypocrisy is staggering.
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I agree, Deerey. I am no fan of the “carry on clapping” or snide remarks about Elliott or whoever. I see BadApple is making comments about Elliott just wanting to worm his way in with the owner at the time. However, a lot of the fuss comes when someone raises a concern or question and gets derided and insulted. There will always be division if those wanting to back Hilton more strongly resort to this when dealing with critics.
I am not going to cast negative assertions on those wanting to back Hilton and hope for the best. In return I expect to not be slammed and judged for raising a question about Hilton. Ultimately, most want to succeed and if the ground issues are sorted in Hilton’s favour and all other concerns amount to nothing, then great. However, I am not willing to turn off critical faculties and refrain from questioning where I see fit, because it makes life easier. That would just be kicking the can down the road and ignoring a potentially damaging situation to make short term happiness when long term problems may prevail.
For fan unity, I think all need to realise that those backing Hilton and those with questions want the club to succeed, so we all need to reflect on how we interact with other fans. Not just Hilton critics, because Hilton backers too, since some of them seem to instigate the tension. This club matters way more than Hilton’s ego. We should be prepared to stand for it, no matter who is at fault for the ground situation. Interested Bystander is right when he talks of means of doing something for the club with engagement across fans. This can work with the owner when needs be, but if something goes wrong there can be a stand, especially if media contacts are made and the situation can be brought to light. It might not do anything, but trying something is more likely to succeed than pity.
Well said.
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