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November 22, 2021 at 5:00 pm #218288
Does he already have his sights set elsewhere or is comfortable knowing he’s go no real competition in the squad?
His performance on Saturday was awful, generally didn’t look interested and I lost count the amount of times he gave the ball away.
I decided to watch the highlights this morning and that miss in the 1st half, whilst at 1-0, was much worse than I remember.
Dreadful.
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November 22, 2021 at 5:14 pm #218289He’s not very good and I’m not sure he ever was. Definitely has his moments, like that goal on debut, and maybe there is a player in there but we’ve not seen a huge amount of it.
November 22, 2021 at 5:19 pm #218291If there is interest (as Cox alluded to in August) then take whatever they are offering – he’s in the bracket of thinking he’s better than the club he’s playing for, looks like he can’t be arsed anymore
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November 22, 2021 at 5:30 pm #218294Loft would struggle to get in a Brigg Town eleven let alone another league side.
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November 22, 2021 at 6:46 pm #218298Loft is exactly the player he was when he arrived. Cox had many faults but perhaps the biggest fault of all was not one player is any better than they were when they arrived at the club.
O’Malley and Watson have improved but I think that was despite Cox rather than because of him.
Loft is half a good centre forward. He has pace and is prepared to make a nuisance of himself. What he could not do (and still cant do) is get the ball under control, bring a midfielder or wide player into the game and get moving into the danger area for the return ball.
Will Hill be able to turn him into a proper centre forward? If he listens and works then I suspect he could. Then he really will be too good for bottome of League 2.
Hill has already made progress in 2 weeks turning Hippolyte into someone that could be a footballer which never looked possible while Cox was here.
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November 22, 2021 at 9:05 pm #218301Loft’s finishing is awful for the most part and his first touch is dog mess. If a team is interested i’d either flog him or do some kind of player exchange.
I’m sure Loft said not long back that he didn’t really see a future here and that other teams were interested, which is all well and good but he still needs to improve to further impress them, surely ?
In regards to Hippolyte he was playing fairly well in CM under Cox. I think he looks not bad in CM but is absolutely dreadful out wide, which is ironic because he came as a winger.
Scrimshaw is another one in the Loft category, runs his nads off but at time the quality just isn’t there. Scrimshaw reminds me of Chris Dagnall.
Only problem is Jarvis is worse then Loft. O’Neil is even worse than Jarvis. Turan is even worse than O’Neil and then you have Jessop who looked nowhere near being ready when he played under Cox.
I know this is complete craziness but I suppose Beestin could play CF with Wilson next to him ?. Beestin can finish but he can’t even get in at CM so I doubt that would ever be a viable option.
Apart from that though, not really much we can do. Green can’t play up top as he looks lost.
This is why we’re rock bottom ladies and gents. I would say this collection of strikers we have ” I use that term extremely loosely ” is the poorest since I’ve been watching.
I can remember many bad strikers we’ve had on the books but we’ve never had a big collection of them before.
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November 22, 2021 at 9:58 pm #218302Well they better get their collective finger out because I’ve paid for a ticket for tomorrow’s game, last chance saloon.
November 23, 2021 at 8:00 am #218306WG- you could’ve stopped at ‘Green can’t play…’
Valid point about strikers a hotchpotch of dross
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November 23, 2021 at 9:12 am #218309Well they better get their collective finger out because I’ve paid for a ticket for tomorrow’s game, last chance saloon.
Optimism?
Or masochism?November 23, 2021 at 10:21 am #218315I always feel a 50-50 mix of both when I go.
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November 23, 2021 at 10:34 am #218317Cox had many faults but perhaps the biggest fault of all was not one player is any better than they were when they arrived at the club.
O’Malley and Watson have improved but I think that was despite Cox rather than because of him
Not sure you can have it both ways – either players improved under Cox or they didn’t?
I’m glad that Hippolyte is getting a bit of praise on here, I think he’s done quite well this season in central midfield, particularly running beyond the strikers. He won that penalty at Mansfield, should have won another v. Donny in the cup, set up Scrimshaw beautifully for that goal against Crawley and is scoring penalties. He may not be brilliant but it’s not a bad return given the rest of the team.
November 23, 2021 at 12:05 pm #218322Watson has improved Ferrite after Cox told him to find another club and brought in a loanee who was younger and less experienced. Looks like we may never find out if Bilson would have been any good but I think Watson and perhaps Muzzy can take the credit for any improvement that Rory has made.
With O’Malley he had a great first season and then Cox brought in a replacement of similar age and experience and favoured him when picking the team. Nothing against Thompson but O’Malley has looked a player again since Cox left so no I don’t give him any credit for that development either.
I am also delighted with Hippo having been a critic of him in the past. Again though he has already had more good games under Hill than he achieved in Cox’s 60 games in charge. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Let’s hope Hill can keep polishing the turds.
November 23, 2021 at 2:21 pm #218332Definitely masochism alcazar but I am determined to go the full 90 minutes plus tonight for a change.
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November 23, 2021 at 11:51 pm #218381His head is in the lofty heights of thinking he is a good footballer.
That may be true. But is he a good professional footballer?
Does his return of 2 goals suggest his talents lie elsewhere? Does he create, does he finish?
Does his name, nay will his name appear up there with Torpey, Green, Lumby, kilmore, Gayle, Flounders, Daws, Sharp, Keogh, Hooper, Cowling, Cammack.
Will it ###k
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November 24, 2021 at 12:06 am #218382John Eyre and Paddy Madden. The list will be very long until we get to Loft.
November 24, 2021 at 1:04 am #218385Don’t forget Gandhi aka, Martin Carruthers. In his time here he was quality and Hayes.
Loft was absolutely dreadful tonight. The service at times was shocking but I’m not entirely sure his heart is in it anymore. Loft looked disappointed to come off but he needs to realise that he has to give more then not on the pitch for Hill to keep him on it.
Scrimshaw has his obvious limitations but he made the difference tonight. I’d start him and keep Jarvis up there. Jarvis is poor as well but least he puts the effort in.
Perry needs to start as well as an attacking midfielder so he can feed whoever is upfront. I do think there is definitely a player in there, he just needs games.
Pugh needs to stay in CM for his energy and Beestin did alright but he needs to get his fitness up though.
What worries me most is the 2 CB’S. Taft has been poor since he signed his perm deal. Onariase is a bit dodgy at times and Davies when he was playing was slow and ponderous.
Taft and Onariase at times tonight were all over the place. Taft had an absolute shocker. I hope O’Malley is back soon as well because he’s certainly better than Thompson.
If Taft keeps these performances going, he would be a likely candidate to move on in Jan if anybody wanted him. Taft looked a right player when he was on loan but since he’s got his contract he’s been subpar at best.
November 24, 2021 at 9:49 am #218394LOft can’t be expecting to move anywhere upwards, have a moneybags NL team identified him as the man to fire them into the EFL or does he have an exceptional agent?
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November 24, 2021 at 11:55 am #218402Loft is not improving: his progress has stalled and may even be regressing.
November 24, 2021 at 2:24 pm #218408He’s always been shit. Can’t control a football, can’t finish, can’t pass. The odd occasion he does bring it under control he either tries taking on the world, trips over his own feet or plays the completely wrong pass! I’d rather Jarvis and Scrimshaw started.
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November 24, 2021 at 7:25 pm #218428Loft needs a lot “and I mean a lot” of work but I still think there’s a player in there somewhere. Loft last season was good at times but I suspect his agent has been in his ear about a club who’s interested because this version of Loft is way worse than the one who showed promise last season.
This version is a million miles away. Would Jessop be any worse than either Jarvis or this version of Loft ?
I know this is off topic but there has been a few suggestions as to why Wilson hasn’t been getting a look in. A few have been suggesting that a club/clubs have shown interest and he’s due to move on come the January window.
Now, if this is true it would make sense. It appears it maybe almost identical to the Joey Dawson situation.
We were crap last season and Dawson was tearing it up in reserves/youth and never got a look in and then moved on.
Same about to happen again ?
There were rumours from early on this season that teams were looking at him. I wouldn’t be surprised either, you can tell he’s a good player from watching the youths as he’s usually that much better than all the other players on the pitch.
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November 24, 2021 at 7:29 pm #218429If the above theory is true, then why isn’t Wilson playing to up his value if he’s good.
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November 24, 2021 at 7:36 pm #218430If the above theory is true, then why isn’t Wilson playing to up his value if he’s good.
Why was Joey Dawson ignored before he moved on to Celtic ?.
If it is indeed true, maybe the club don’t want to risk him picking up an injury before January window comes up ?
What other reason would there be ?
November 24, 2021 at 7:56 pm #218432November 24, 2021 at 8:09 pm #218433Can’t argue with most of that, WG
I think one of the things that most frustrates people about Loft is that he’s got the build of a target man, so people expect him to be good at; linking up play, heading and possessing a good first touch. He has none of the above.
His main strength seems to be playing on the shoulder as he’s got a decent turn of pace for a big lad, he left the Mansfield defender for dust before fluffing that 2nd chance. He also scored a couple of good goals last year which involved him running through the channels.
His last 2 performances in particular have been nothing short of shameful and I’d be disappointed if he wasn’t benched for Saturday. However, there is potentially a player in there. Hopefully Hill can get a tune out of him.
November 24, 2021 at 8:36 pm #218434If the club sell on Wilson eithout the fans ever getting to see him feature, that is truly shameful.
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November 24, 2021 at 8:37 pm #218435I know this is odd with his size but he’d probably excel at playing alongside a genuine target man.
I agree Loft is an odd ball. Loft is a 5ft striker trapped in a 6ft+ target mans body. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it before.
Looks like he’s mentally already moved on. Swann did say we received a bid last season but turned it down. I wonder if it’s the same club ?
If the fee is half decent and we have somebody lined up to come in, I’d move him on. This version of Loft is much worse than the one last season.
November 24, 2021 at 10:58 pm #218444If there is interest (as Cox alluded to in August) then take whatever they are offering – he’s in the bracket of thinking he’s better than the club he’s playing for, looks like he can’t be arsed anymore
I think if it’s anything more than a couple of out of date hot dogs covered in mould and fluff, we should definitely snap their hands off!
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November 24, 2021 at 11:14 pm #218445“excel” not a word that should be associated with a player who struggles to control or pass the ball.
I agree with Alcy about Wilson – we need to see him play before he leaves. Keegan played 120 games before he left at 20.
How can the club (chairman) not give a player a game because he might get injured?
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November 25, 2021 at 1:02 am #218446Loft is crap with a capital K … IF ONLY HIS TALENTS MATCHED HIS EGO , its obvious he doesnt want to be at the club so hope Hill can get rid.
Reading some of the posts and how some members are ” well connected ” surely some one could get a direct line to Hill and just say WILSON in his ear, its like the lad is being totally overlooked and not even given a chance when he could be on the pitch instead of Loft.
Dont suppose anyone at the club actually reads the local football related forums ??? they really should.
Bradford Saturday and i have this horrible feeling about certain players coming back to haunt us.
November 25, 2021 at 5:21 am #218449How can the club (chairman) not give a player a game because he might get injured?
How did it happen with Joey Dawson ?.
Don’t you find it odd that Wilson genuinely has a massive amount of ability, often looks the best player on the pitch at youth/reserve level and yet never features ?
This is the same player that was the shining light in pre season and still never gets game time.
Cox was asked why he wasn’t getting game time and he gave an excuse claiming he didn’t want him to suffer burn out..so he’d supposedly rather not play him at all to prevent burnout as apposed to playing him and simply resting him in between games.
Never heard so much shite in all my life. I’m sorry but not playing a youngster who can finish with both feet who has pace, trickery and a lot of ability over playing Jarvis/Loft is utter madness.
I find it hard to believe that both Cox and now Hill are both not playing him and it’s just a coincidence he’s been forgotten/not taken notice of by both is quite frankly unbelievable.
It’s either he’s a huge pain in the arse behind the scenes or it’s right what people are suggesting and clubs are looking at him and we potentially don’t want to risk not getting money for him.
I genuinely don’t understand it…to me it’s lunacy. I suspect something is going on behind the scenes because even in non meaningful cup games he wasn’t even getting game time.
This smacks of the Joey Dawson situation. Dawson was taking the piss at youth/reserve level and was the forgotten man.
fast forward months later, he went to Celtic. Keith Hill has eyes and he isn’t stupid, if he’s completely ignoring Wilson despite his talent, there has to be a very big reason.
Not even been dipped in and out, just completely cast aside. I’m not saying he’ll be the next Messi but for him to be ignored as he has, something is wrong somewhere.
Give Wilson a go or keep with Jarvis ?. I know which route I’d go down.
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