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    Rene ArtoisRene Artois
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    Well we need a reaction from someone after Tuesday.

    If it’s not forthcoming from the ownership then it will have to be from the coaching and playing staff.

    It’ll be more of the same tomorrow.
    Players will be at half pace, protecting themselves from picking up a serious injury.
    You can’t go on trial if you can’t play due to injury.
    There minds will be on “where am I going to be playing next season”

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    Well we need a reaction from someone after Tuesday.

    If it’s not forthcoming from the ownership then it will have to be from the coaching and playing staff.

    It’ll be more of the same tomorrow.
    Players will be at half pace, protecting themselves from picking up a serious injury.
    You can’t go on trial if you can’t play due to injury.
    There minds will be on “where am I going to be playing next season”

    As mentioned by TJO earlier in this thread there is the possibility many players whose contracts are ending have already got a foot our the door thus so mentally not giving a toss risking any injuries etc.

    It really is a total clusterfook and such a shame after all the hard work saving he club , GP and a great first half of the season.

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    The only reactions we will get on that pitch are medical. Physio will be busy.
    Looks like a 1970s Sunday League pitch:

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    TheJuryeffsOutTheJuryeffsOut
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    As usual as fans we are left to guess and speculate but I think there’s 3 scenarios possibly going on with Scunthorpe United.

    1. Jimmy Dean may not be a good enough manager to get this team over the line.

    2. Some of the players probably the higher paid, supposedly higher level Hilton signings are coasting as they know there won’t be a big new contract here at the end of the season, promotion or not.

    3. It isn’t that easy to beat the teams in this league with full time, higher level players and we just need to recruit a squad of players proven capable to deal with it.

    For point 1 – Up until January despite all the off field dramas we were running away at the top of the league so Dean seemed to have the formula then.

    For point 2 – up until January despite all the off field dramas we were running away at the top of the league. And it wasn’t all down to Smith and Roberts, so the players seemed to be capable then.

    For point 3 – Part time lads probably living locally to whichever team and playing more to be footballers than money plus a few decent loan signings seems to be a good option to do well in this league.

    The club know what is going on.
    If it’s point 1, get on replace Dean or come out and say he’s here until the end of the season. Silence leads to problems.
    If it’s point 2, come out and tell us the players have downed tools, it might be unprecedented to do that but I’d make it known who isn’t bothered.
    If it’s point 3, come out and tell us that Hilton’s fantasy signings aren’t the way to go and we’ll be here next season but with a more suitable squad. And if it isn’t Dean at fault, give him a contract now for next season so any players wanting to stay here know they need to impress him.

    That’s my 10 pence worth anyway

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    #282413
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    Surely, these negative thought patterns can only be found in players who have already guaranteed a new club.
    Could there be all that many?
    All of those who have not must know that the new salary structure could very easily turn out to be the very best that they can achieve. That incentivises players.
    Potential new clubs will clearly be scared off when scouts report that their target can’t be arsed to give us full measure when chasing promotion!
    What of those plenty of players who will still end up needing to get a contract with us?
    What of those who recognise that they fell lucky to get such a hefty deal from Hilton? May they not want to stay?
    Promotion would have given better earning potential to all players.
    I do not buy into the idea that loadsa players are not giving their best.
    Say three of our better players have got new clubs lined up.
    It would only take as few as three to sabotage our season.
    If this idea holds any water at all – I wonder who the trio might be?

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    Well we need a reaction from someone after Tuesday.

    If it’s not forthcoming from the ownership then it will have to be from the coaching and playing staff.

    It’ll be more of the same tomorrow.
    Players will be at half pace, protecting themselves from picking up a serious injury.
    You can’t go on trial if you can’t play due to injury.
    There minds will be on “where am I going to be playing next season”

    You can add to that ‘the amount of abuse some of them dished out at Darlo aswell, sod em’.

    #282416
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    The underperforming players have short memories.
    They need to cast their minds back a few months ago when they were left in the shit without wages by a conman.
    The fans who they’re supposed to be entertaining put their hands in their pockets to ensure their wages were paid.
    Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

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    Regarding this point:

    2. Some of the players probably the higher paid, supposedly higher level Hilton signings are coasting as they know there won’t be a big new contract here at the end of the season, promotion or not.

    Put yourself in the shoes of some of the higher paid players. Rather than ‘coasting’, their minds may be on how they’re going to sustain that level of income they’ve got used to for so long? I’m not saying it’s right by any means but realistically it’s a possibility it’s a huge distraction, no? So if we’re talking ‘clusterf***s’, the current situation is one that leads right back to Hilton’s door, again. Rather that folk (not you TJO) getting on the board’s back to make decisions and statements, why not just let them get on with dealing with the mess in their own way in their own time without unnecessary pressure?

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    The underperforming players have short memories.
    They need to cast their minds back a few months ago when they were left in the shit without wages by a conman.
    The fans who they’re supposed to be entertaining put their hands in their pockets to ensure their wages were paid.
    Talk about biting the hand that feeds you!

    I agree totally with that too. I’m just playing devil’s advocate

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    These players must realise that it’s highly unlikely that any club, at the level at which they’re capable of playing, will be likely to match or even approach their current terms.
    (Unless, of course, they have a “SuperAgent” who has convinced them that there is interest from the EFL. I hope potential suitors were at Darlo!!)

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    You’d think it’s highly unlikely. Who knows these days. Football’s gone mad.

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    The only chance of them matching current salaries or playing at a higher level is if Chris Swan gets a job in club recruitment somewhere

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    If “their minds may be on how they’re going to sustain that level of income they’ve got used to for so long”, then it is basically an unforeseen consequence of Hilton’s ownership.
    If that is the case then come out and say it as a club. Just say “Unfortunately a number of players were signed on contracts that are unsustainable beyond this season and some of those players have indicated they will have to look elsewhere. We hope the fans will appreciate they are as much victims as any of us of the events of the last year and whilst they will do their best for Jimmy and the team, they have serious considerations to deal with affecting their futures. “

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    If it’s highly likely that is partly the case, then why do so many supporters need the Board to say it TJO? Particularly as it’s quite possibly half the story.

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    I’m sure the Board will make a statement when there’s something tangible to say. In the meantime maybe more supporters could practice ‘United We Stand’ and accept collective responsibility for a situation ultimately created by Hilton.

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    I’d go along with that if “they will do their best for Jimmy and the team” could be guaranteed. Recent performances would suggest that is not the case.
    (Replying to TJO.)

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    I’d go along with it too, but only if they made it a solemn vow and wrote it in their own blood.

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    If you’re selling your house you usually tart it up a bit to make it more attractive to any potential buyer.

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    Not if you’ve alreďy sold it or got offers, or agent’s telling you offers are in the pipeline

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    Cass – Id say if their best is what we’ve seen lately then we’d have to accept it if the club at least said some players have got major life issues. But then who hasn’t ? The Steelworks and many other businesses aren’t exactly great so maybe I’m being too generous.

    Deerey, if the fans knew already some players were in a difficult place then maybe some more slack would have been given at Darlo.

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    I doubt it TJO. IMO it’s endemic of a wider societal problem but we may be best parking that one?

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    Yes “let’s just embarrass people publicly by calling them overpaid,”I’m sure that’s what every board member wants, what effing world do you live in?
    They’re footballers not baby killers , people want to embarrass and abuse them for not playing a game well?

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    They are lucky enough to have a career which puts them in the public eye, they don’t need to be embarrassed, they’re doing that themselves. I don’t think they’re being abused for not playing a game well, we’re NLN not PL, but rather for a perceived lack of effort. Acceptable? Maybe not. Understandable? Possibly.
    Many fans are in jobs where they can be dismissed for underperforming and don’t have the luxury of a footballers guaranteed contract no matter how underwhelming their performances are.

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    Yes “let’s just embarrass people publicly by calling them overpaid,”I’m sure that’s what every board member wants, what effing world do you live in?
    They’re footballers not baby killers , people want to embarrass and abuse them for not playing a game well?

    Give it a rest fella. The same world where you want to make piss take funny video topics to ridicule someone trying to do their job.

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    Not if you’ve alreďy sold it or got offers, or agent’s telling you offers are in the pipeline

    So how many of our properties do you reckon have already been sold then Deerey?

    Maybe they should have “sold” or “under offer” on the back of their shirts so we’d have an idea.

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    From our players point of view you’d hope any deals were finalised in December. Nobody has increased their value or enhanced their reputation since then.

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    Northumb I bet he’s not far wrong with that he’s said. Hilton is what he is and even he said a large number of the players have been told they won’t be kept on and they’ve got one foot out the door.

    Let’s speculate and say they were told around Christmas time and their agent has been looking behind the scenes at what’s out there, do you not think there wouldn’t be talk behind the scenes ?

    Evans not long back was in National League team of the year. York City were interested in Denton a while ago and teams would be interested in Whitehall seeing as though he’s second top goalscorer in the league. I could also see teams being interested in Clunan on a free, taking into consideration his early season form.

    A club representative needs to come out and tell us what’s going on.

    As said further up the thread, if a number of players have been told they won’t be retained due to budget cuts for the following season, why not just say and give people an idea on what’s going on ?

    The Jimmy Dean situation needs addressing too while they’re at it.

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    Not if you’ve alreďy sold it or got offers, or agent’s telling you offers are in the pipeline

    So how many of our properties do you reckon have already been sold then Deerey?

    Maybe they should have “sold” or “under offer” on the back of their shirts so we’d have an idea.

    Good idea. If any players are interested in a deal with Forest Green Rovers, get a big Vegetarian Society tick on your shirt.

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    Far better abusing the players after they don’t put any effort in than clapping them off, at least the ones who who abuse them know why there doing it.
    Cant understand why Marco wasn’t singing Jimmy deans barmy army on Tuesday he was there.

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    Afternoon sesh?

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