Rory and Peter.

[BrianIron]

Not more column inches on Rory? yes sorry!
Rory we know his strengths, surely most would agree he is a good shot stopper. As the season progressed he managed to command the area much better. His distribution was as good as Luke Daniels, he didn’t make any more mistakes than the Scottish lad. Murphy let one in off his bum check and didn’t get slatted. Gilts made some serious errors with his positioning but didn’t get slatted.
Now for what its worth Mr Swann has faith in Rory and he has more to lose than the rest of us put together. Rather than hack away at Rory’s Achilles until he falls over why not give the lad the benefit of the doubt. Get behind him, applaud good saves, gloss over the odd mistake (many of which started much further up the pitch) and lets see if this can be the season Rory becomes a good keeper. Mussy should be able to correct glaring mistakes and Adam and Tom will be there to push him if he is to keep the number one jersey. As Swann said and surely few will disagree it is game time in league two which will make or break these young testosterone fuelled players. Take the negative blinkers off and get behind these lads and enjoy the ride. Bumpy? yes probably but if stability is achieved we may have a promotion winning side 21/22.
Thanks to those who got to the end of my thread.

[WonderGoals]

Brian, people are questioning the quality of back up we’ve got to push him more than anything. Who’s here to push him, Kelsey ?

Collins won’t put any pressure on as he’s clearly not ready.

[cassidystash]

” Mussy should be able to correct glaring mistakes”

But how long will it take him Brian? He’s not made much progress so far, are we looking for Rory to peak in his 30’s?
It’s not us you need to convince but the defenders in front of him.

[DarrynStampGoalMachine]

It’s been done to death but it’s not one mistake that’s the problem.

It’s the same mistake over and over and over and over again.

[Ferrite]

I agree that a bit of support for the player who is clearly going to be our number 1 wouldn’t go amiss.

WonderGoals wrote:

Brian, people are questioning the quality of back up we’ve got to push him more than anything. Who’s here to push him, Kelsey ?

This pre-supposes that pressure is a good thing. It will be for some players, others might blossom if they know they’re the number 1 and aren’t going to be dropped for months if they make a mistake.

[forgotten]

People should listen to the section in the Charlie Goode podcast regarding the effect playing with the fear of making a mistake has on a player. He’s blossomed at Northampton because he’s had the support and encouragement of the supporters and the manager and not been singled out for blame, as he was here by McCall and the keyboard warriors.

[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

The fact this week a young player whilst here whom was shown little support by the club management team and fanbase alike has just been sold for 1.5million a year later should be lessons learned for us all.

[mistertonmick]

The problem with Rory, and Collins (by looking at the Donny game goals are identical) are cross shots which both are slow to react to and get beat 9 times out of 10, so if on target go in, seen a training clip today of Olomola taking a cross shot at a slight angle and it beat our keeper easily, but not sure from the back which one it was, Rory apart from not dominating his area also has games when he juggles the ball a lot but does make good saves but Muzzy doesn’t seem to sort his weaknesses out.

[Northumbiron]

Two words: –

Eastwood, Lawlor.

[ironjig]

I think everyone here wants Rory to have a great season, unfortunately I just dont think he’s good enough. Nothing personal – hope he proves me wrong.

[BrianIron]

WonderGoals wrote:

Brian, people are questioning the quality of back up we’ve got to push him more than anything. Who’s here to push him, Kelsey ?

Collins won’t put any pressure on as he’s clearly not ready.

Burney, they are not, most keyboard warriors say Watson won’t make a keeper regardless.

[Anonymous]

The same keyboard warriors said the same about Sam Johnstone.

They also slated the likes of Charlie Goode and Cameron Burgess who are both now playing in a higher division.

I’m sure there’s plenty more examples too.

One day the penny might drop that they should SUPPORT young players rather than try to destroy them!

[WonderGoals]

Uptheiron, this squad is young, is it not ?. Everybody is happy to get behind them, with the only 2 positions causing concern is RB and Gk.

That wouldn’t be the case would it if all of us wasn’t prepared to give youth a chance !

Most people I’ve spoken to can’t wait to see how the younger players to get on. This is the most exciting season for a while, which some may say isn’t a lot but still…people are really optimistic.

Too many times we’ve gone down the route of paying older players fair wedges and have them go through the motions. This is a really refreshing change.

Most people are embracing it Uptheiron, so…why don’t you calm yourself down a tad ?

[lesgeo]

Sam Johnstone was pretty ordinary at SUFC.
It will be a long time til I forget that goal conceded at Rochdale – it wasn’t the only poor one but that was truly wretched.
There have been too many seasons in the last quarter of a century when GK has been a problem position.

[Iron-awe]

Let’s be honest we have struggled for a good consistent keeper since Joe Murphy and he was helped tremendously by having an excellent team in front of him, which in itself must be a fantastic boost in helping a keeper with confidence and therefore consistency.

[cassidystash]

Anonymous wrote:

The same keyboard warriors said the same about Sam Johnstone.
They also slated the likes of Charlie Goode and Cameron Burgess who are both now playing in a higher division.
I’m sure there’s plenty more examples too.
One day the penny might drop that they should SUPPORT young players rather than try to destroy them!

You seem to forget that this is a football forum providing an opportunity for supporters to express their opinions. If the players don’t read Bru then they shouldn’t be affected by any criticism should they? Am I expected to pretend players are up to the job when, from what I see, they’re not. Johnstone, Goode and Burgess were poor (IMO) in an Iron shirt but might have improved, I don’t know I haven’t seen them.
Out of interest are you somebody who goes to the same poor restaurant time after time hoping they’ll eventually learn to cook and serve properly?

[Northumbiron]

In recent days posters have commented on how Godden was poor for us but has been prolific elsewhere and that Hayesey is an Iron legend but will have been forgotten by Barnsley and Preston fans.

The question has been asked, “how long do you persist before the player needs to move on?”

UTI99 is right when he lists Johnstone, Goode & (possibly) Burgess. But he is wrong to think it was just the terrace fans and “keyboard warriors” knocking them back. Managers not playing them or dropping them for a favourite (or more expensive) squad member. Injuries. Formations. Tactics. All of these play their part.

The problem we have here is that this is such a key position (think of Klopp’s Liverpool pre Allison) so all eyes are on the lad. A young keeper needs an experienced CB in front of him. Young CBs need an experienced keeper behind them.

If PS has faith in Rory and sees Kelsey and Collins as adequate backup why were Eastwood and Lawlor loaned in last year?

Of course we all want to see OUR players develop and flourish but not at the expense of another relegation battle surely?

[Anonymous]

Football forums are for the sharing of views on the football club, which should allow for criticism. If a player cannot handle being criticised in the online sphere he should stay off the forum. We shouldn’t be expected to hide our views in case it hurts the feelings of those who have no need to be on the forum.

[BrianIron]

Anonymous wrote:

Football forums are for the sharing of views on the football club, which should allow for criticism. If a player cannot handle being criticised in the online sphere he should stay off the forum. We shouldn’t be expected to hide our views in case it hurts the feelings of those who have no need to be on the forum.

I agree with so many of the comments re Rory. If we take a look with league 2 V Champions league and the Premier league on the TV there are glaring differences. This is also true comparing league 2 with local footy at Barton, Brigg, Winterton and Bottesford. I do wonder if seeing so much footy on the box has made us all a little over critical. Making reference to a particular situation in a particular game just highlights further how mistakes are remembered for weeks, months and even seasons. If the centre halves are as good as we hope goals difference may favour the goals for rather than against.
It does appear Rory will start between the jumpers and I hope he will be judged by clean sheets and saves rather than the odd (or frequent) mistakes. A striker appears to get away with a shot which ends up on the railway line without undue criticism. Perhaps we can give the keeper the same sort of respect.

[MK Iron]

There is a difference in the number of mistakes “allowed” by strikers and goalkeepers.

A striker that puts 10 shots every game on the railway line and 1 shot every 2 games into the net will still get picked every week.

A goalkeeper that makes 10 saves every game and let’s 1 through his legs every 2 games will soon be looking for another job.

In my view Rory has talent but played behind a nervous and mistake ridden defence in his breakthrough season. His bad injury compounded his problem so has never built the self confidence so important for keepers. Of course they all make mistakes but need the self confidence to forget them immediately and get on with it.

I really hope this season he grabs his opportunity and proves most of us wrong. It may even help him to play a few games without fans particularly if he can achieve a few clean sheets.

[Awaywego]

The goalie is the most important position and will always be criticized the most. Rory v De Gea not much to choose between them mistake wise.sorry Ironawe can’t agree Gilks was bloody good, but again that one mistake against Millwall cost us, but as we all know goals change games, let’s hope Rory as a great season mistakes and all.

[mistertonmick]

What was the mistake against Millwall?

[Awaywego]

First goal 45th minute you could have saved that mick, just watched again on YouTube should have gone in 1-0 at halftime takes wagging, cos we were shite.

[mistertonmick]

You mean in the Playoff, that was Anyon in goal.

[Awaywego]

Apologies Mick dont normally get my facts wrong. i would blame my age but ya older than me.

[Deereyme66]

Maybe the defence was nervous and mistake ridden because of a lack of faith in the keeper MK Iron? Anyway, as far as I’m concerned it’s all in the past. Looking forward to seeing Rory and a new defence shine together as a unit.

[Deereyme66]

And I’ve got confidence in Cox and Lillis nailing this shambles issue at the back.

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