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Those women should accept that an embryo is more of a person than they are. :-(
“In the past week, an Ohio abortion clinic received calls from two women with ectopic pregnancies — when an embryo grows outside the uterus and can’t be saved — who said their doctors wouldn’t treat them.” https://t.co/oAIxmoNm0w
— Irin Carmon (@irin) July 17, 2022
The Republicans don’t give a damn about women, and these doctors are behaving like this through grounded fear of criminal investigations.
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‘Afraid’ in capitals doesn’t make anyone more afraid bpg, particularly if they’re not afraid at all. Are you afraid of nothing at all? I surmise some of the most fearful are Christians and those with right wing views, like on Bru; a number of posters have admitted to fearing change. They rage about diversity and inclusion and often admit, eventually, their fear of change is at the nub of it, and you end up thinking if that’s really the heart of the matter why have we bothered arguing the toss?
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If God’s heart breaks on abortion, it could get its arse into gear about miscarriages.
What’s often not said, is that abortion rates were actually higher pre-Roe v Wade. While much of the decline could be attributed to greater birth control, it does mean that illegality is not a restriction to abortion. The difference being the unsafe nature of it. Women get raped, pregnancy is a risk where the mother’s life may be in danger. People can sit and judge and say they may not make the bulk of cases, but the fact is women’s lives are either put at risk or through misery for grand moralising from the religious.
Moreover, as has been said, it’s the woman’s body and they are the ones who have to live with the consequences. The men can scuttle off and moralise about the woman, as they so often do. I wonder how many men would be willing to have forced vasectomies (a reversible process), until willing to try for a family, to prevent unwanted births. I am willing to bet many would then complain about their freedom.
Contraception doesn’t always work, pregnancy affects them for their entire life, putting their own careers and lives in a different way. At a stage where the zygote/embryo/foetus is of decreased sapience I am struggling to justify why it should be placed equal or above to the woman. We can disagree with the motives for some for abortion, but frankly, it’s the lesser of all evils, given the alternatives. The consequences of such we saw before, as anyone who is familiar with works like Motherhood with Bondage could attest.
JI complains about Roe v Wade being an imposition of a particular worldview on others, but wants to impose his worldview on women going for this, based off Christian beliefs. People have a right to be pro-life, but they shouldn’t have the right to impose their beliefs on others. Restrictions on people’s freedoms can be justified, where deemed necessary or moral. It’s people’s beliefs which drive the objection to abortion. I don’t think we should restrict people’s rights over their own bodies based on beliefs. It should be evidence driven. If Christians, or whoever, don’t like it, then tough. People shouldn’t be forced to be controlled by dogma, no matter its stripe. Christian, Islamic, communist or fascist.
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‘It begins more by a sense of need and searching for meaning’
Appreciate that sentiment JI. Personally I think the meaning is all here, in this world, not some hoped for transcendental realm reached by a leap of faith. And if more people accepted this is all there is, the world might be a better, more peaceful place.
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I wrote: ‘It begins more by a sense of need and searching for meaning’
Deerey replied:’Appreciate that sentiment JI. Personally I think the meaning is all here, in this world, not some hoped for transcendental realm reached by a leap of faith. And if more people accepted this is all there is, the world might be a better, more peaceful place.’
You nailed it,Deerey. We are at base level at polar opposites on how we see what will make the world a better place. Everything stems from that.
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