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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    To the “genuine”! Christian there is only one party to vote for.
    One party believes in the slaughter of millions and millions of unborn children (TwoWrights used the same words “ unborn child/children” in a different post) in the womb.
    The other party is pro-life and committed to protection of the innocent unborn child.
    Even though the Republicans are not “perfect” by any means, this one major difference in “worldview”is the reason for Christians voting Republican in America

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    Well, we do know the ‘genuine Christians’ don’t care about democratic rights.

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    …to kill their own child ?

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    …to kill their own child ?

    Whoosh

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    The Republicans aren’t too keen on preserving the life of the mother, as recent cases show.

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    An “amendment” by it’s very name suggests that thing can change is the excuse they give for allowing these continued school massacres of living ,thinking , emotional human beings

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    They love shooting children with guns though, don’t they?

    #248389
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    Well, those results do upset the narrative.

    Of course it’s not ideal (from my perspective) that it’s close, especially given how I view the current Republicans to be a damaging party to democracy and women’s rights. However, these are the best midterms for a sitting president for quite some time and the losses are nowhere near as severe as the ‘very measured’ people were predicting based on their narrative about Dems losing touch with the salt of the Earth common man.

    There have been some historic gains for the Democrats. Michigan’s state house is now in Democrat control for the first time in 40 years. Republicans have made very little progress in their promised red wave, from those ‘very measured’ pundits with their fingers on the pulse of what the ‘common man’ truly feels against the metropolitan liberal elite. Red wave? More like red puddle.

    This is the second time they have got it wrong, they were assuring us that Biden would likely lose the presidency in 2020, they were assuring us that the Democrats would struggle more in the midterms because they are out of touch with woke issues and whatnot. The likely truth is that while this current mob of Republicans have some ardent fans, their conduct in democracy and on abortion has motivated many more to vote against them. They are significant in number and can’t be written off as some elitist fringe. They are enough for Democrats to do better than the self-assured pundits predict.

    Moreover, with Trump and DeSantis potentially locked into battle for the 2024 Republican nomination, things could get ugly. DeSantis has some momentum and has carried votes in Florida, but doesn’t have the charisma or cultishness of Trump, who is unlikely to step aside without a fight. 2024 could (emphasis on could) be a bitter civil dispute between candidates, which could cause a huge rift. DeSantis is polling quite well and may be a harder opponent for Trump than his previous Republican opponents.

    None of this means I think everything is rosy or foregone for the Democrats by a long stretch. However, with the narrative failing to come to fruition twice now for the ‘very measured’ pundits, I’d hope there’s some self-reflection and less of the simple interpretation of “Democrats need to win over the Trump supporters and nothing else needs to be done” narrative which has plagued US political discourse for too long. This should be an indicator to Republicans that they need to look at their own party to win over those motivated to vote against them.

    Fat chance of this happening. The usual suspects will still groan on, as if it’s only the Democrats who need to address concerns, as if it’s only them with agency.

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    Trump obviously perceives DiSantis to be a real thorn in his side given his threat to expose some shit on him. Threats, bullying and gobshiting: he’d make an ideal cabinet minister.

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    As Siderite points out it’s usually the sitting Presidents party that get a proper kicking during mid terms and although they will probably lose Congress it might just change the narrative away from the Republicans ” we was robbed ” bullshit, which unfortunately is all Trump and his followers ever seen to talk about. America and in particular the Republicans have to start talking more about policy and less about baseless lies and rhetoric about something that did not happen, they have to squeeze Trump out of their system and get back to being a serious political party discussing serious issues about how best to take America forward. The last seven years have been so destructive for the so called land of the free, wake up America FFS.

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    Maybe, hopefully, they are waking up?

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    Now an overall majority in the Senate without the vice president’s casting vote for the Democrats. Not a big surprise that Warnock beat the ridiculously unsuitable Herschel Walker for the senate seat in Georgia but it once again shows that reasonably minded Republican voters will not vote for a Trump backed candidate who is ridiculously unqualified and has such a dubious reputation in his personal life. If Trump gets the Republican nomination again then he will lose again, when will Republicans start waking up to this fact, Trump is unelectable now, he’s lost them everything since 2016 and the narrow majority they now have in Congress will not make a big difference, their infighting in the party will see to that. No wonder Biden is smiling a lot more these days.

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    ‘when will Republicans start waking up to this fact, Trump is unelectable now, he’s lost them everything since 2016’

    Being electable isn’t as important as sticking to your rigid ideals for some, both on the left and right, US and UK. Even if it means the very people the Party is trying to help, suffer more as a result. Bonkers ain’t it?

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    Oh wait, I thought it was all about the economy, stupid.

    While that’s an axiom which has some truth for certain situations, it has been evident for two years that a critical number of Americans have grown weary of Trumpism, its naked corruption and threats to democratic norms.

    Many who cast a hugely sceptical eye to anything liberal, while ignoring conservative cases of rashness seemed to see the 2020 election as yet another instance where liberals needed to cater for the Trump fans/true, salt of the Earth, common men because of the high Trump turnout, ignoring the even larger Democrat turnout. The warning signs were there, but the Republicans and those sympathetic didn’t take heed because, as usual, they lack self-critical capabilities and can only focus on issues with the other side. Some of it has elements of truth, but they are blind to their own issues which has motivated many to keep voting Democrat despite it all.

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    I think you have a point DM about being rigid in their views but as Warnock stated in his Georgia campaign, ” it’s not about left or right in lots of debates now, it’s about right from wrong “. The Republicans have backed the wrong horse for far too long, it needs the party members in Congress and the Senate to start calling out Trump by name as the problem, instead of cowering in the corner pretending to be politicians who care about the direction of their country under another Trump bid for power.

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    I was surprised no one” liked” my opening post !! Then again..why fall out with your “ buddies”.

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    Do you need that to feel validated? Seems rather insecure.

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    billpuntonsghostbillpuntonsghost
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    Do i care ,no. What I said was ,I was surprised no one “liked” my opening post.
    Seems rather insecure??

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    More a case of to the vast majority of US women, there’s only one party to vote for!!

    Not sure that harming women’s rights, 50% of the population, is a very bright electoral choice.

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    Do i care ,no. What I said was ,I was surprised no one “liked” my opening post.
    Seems rather insecure??

    I know who you’re trying to goad. If you weren’t bothered in any way I don’t think you’d see the need to comment.

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    #250163
    Iron-aweIron-awe
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    How’s Trump doing these days for you bill, you still a fan 🤔

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    Does he believe in God and if so does he rate him higher than himself?

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    I think the US has a healthiern rgeagrd when it comes to inner party divisions, they treat it as debate more from what I can see.
    We need that in our two party system,(ps, I know it’s not exactly twoparties)

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    You say that, but the Republicans have been in thrall to some weird orange cultist for the past few years. :-)

    Anyone who disagreed was cast aside as a villain, like Liz Cheney, Romney or McCain.

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    Not an expert on these matters, but is BPG advocating Christians to support a man who fails to follow the majority of the 10 commandments?

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    Virgin birth ,tick
    Jesus is his own dad and a ghost ,tick.
    Deciding your own sexuality, Something perfectly feasible “madness” harass them out of existence

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    Beats me how God could make Adam out of dust, but had to rape a teenage girl to make Jesus!

    Oh, I forgot it’s just a story!

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    That Joseph was a wily character, conning Mary to spout off about an angel appearing to her and saying she was carrying gods child. Things you do to get out of admitting you got an unmarried mum up the duff, religion eh, bloody hell.

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