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February 21, 2024 at 10:22 am #281501
First things first: I think Jimmy Dean is a poor, one-dimensional manager who should never have been given the job.
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We have to recognise where the club is at the moment. We are STILL in debt thanks to Hilton & all his acolytes, not forgetting Swann’s generous contribution of that EFL loan, and we clearly need to further trim the squad in the summer to keep things on an even keel.
So sacking the manager at the moment just doesn’t seem like a realistic option, even if as reported he is out of contract in the summer. He could well have a termination clause entitling him to a pay-off if he’s sacked before the end of the contract, for example.
People will say: but missing out on promotion will cost us more. And that may be true but I’m not entirely convinced; I still think the financial stability of the club is the most important thing and I’m not certain that getting promotion this year is crucial. Obviously it might be harder next year with a smaller budget but we will still be able to out-spend most of the clubs in this division and should still be able to be more-than-competitive. And with a proper manager, who can turn a squad of players into more than the sum of its parts, there’s no reason why we should struggle in future.
I think we have to accept that Dean will stay until the end of this season, unless he decides to resign. Then it’s going to be a bumpy ride in the summer but I still think that with this board we will come back stronger next season and make a proper go of it in 2024/25.
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February 21, 2024 at 11:04 am #281503But it sounds like he’s lost the dressing room. The players seem not to respect him (and that is the players fault as well). It’s a difficult one because a long term stay in this division will provide stability but the club as we know it will be a shadow of its former self. I really struggle to stay engaged in the quality of football, officials, pitches, grounds etc I go to every home game even though I have to travel, and watch on NLTV and I can’t believe what I watch half the time. It’s not entertainment, and if this is what sustainability looks like then who is going to be in it for the long term? Maybe 1,000-1,500 hardcore of fans
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February 21, 2024 at 11:25 am #281505Agreed Ferrite.
If promotion to the EFL was at stake then I’d understand the urgency- but it isn’t and there’s hardly any financial gain to be had. It could be a painful few months but it’s a case of suck it up and regroup in the summer.
The players do have to take a certain amount of responsibility too, they know the score with the club’s finances and collectively they are on an absolute fortune.
February 21, 2024 at 11:55 am #281514But it sounds like he’s lost the dressing room. The players seem not to respect him (and that is the players fault as well). It’s a difficult one because a long term stay in this division will provide stability but the club as we know it will be a shadow of its former self. I really struggle to stay engaged in the quality of football, officials, pitches, grounds etc I go to every home game even though I have to travel, and watch on NLTV and I can’t believe what I watch half the time. It’s not entertainment, and if this is what sustainability looks like then who is going to be in it for the long term? Maybe 1,000-1,500 hardcore of fans
We’re still second in the league and have won more points than the last 2 seasons combined, we’ve scored 6 in a couple of games too. It’s not all been bad.
I agree it’s been garbage recently but let’s not forgot what’s gone before.
There’s no reason why stability = bad football, it just means we have to be more careful with our money and get better bang for our buck. More Wharton years, less like the Swann years.
We spent huge amounts under Swann but did we ever really overachieve? Did we have many players who exceeded themselves in an Iron shirt? I’d argue no.
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February 21, 2024 at 1:27 pm #281525A smaller debt when Swanny left than Wharton’s £4.5 million,
Whoops I forgot that Swanny wrote £11.5 million debt off and took the £3 million tin shed instead.February 21, 2024 at 1:52 pm #281527whatever the financial implications of sacking JD (put him out of misery) they may be greater if we lose 1000 fans (£10/12 000, conservative estimate) over the remaining home games. I have ticket for Sat but if i didn’t why would want to come and failed to be entertained again. Not may from the Tamworth match will be back again. We have a club be grateful is a diminishing argument. JD is not maxing this team performances.
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February 21, 2024 at 5:25 pm #281536whatever the financial implications of sacking JD (put him out of misery) they may be greater if we lose 1000 fans (£10/12 000, conservative estimate) over the remaining home games
Do you mean 1,000 fans a game? I really can’t see that sort of drop-off, crowds have been pretty healthy this season and haven’t really tailed off in recent weeks. The Tamworth attendance was obviously a bit of a freak for a number of reasons but I’m not sure that’s the standard to judge everything against.
February 21, 2024 at 5:32 pm #281537It isn’t losses that are the problem. It is the nature of it. Fight for everything and lose then you gave it all, but if you see players not 100% then gates will fall.
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February 21, 2024 at 5:55 pm #281540But it sounds like he’s lost the dressing room. The players seem not to respect him (and that is the players fault as well). It’s a difficult one because a long term stay in this division will provide stability but the club as we know it will be a shadow of its former self. I really struggle to stay engaged in the quality of football, officials, pitches, grounds etc I go to every home game even though I have to travel, and watch on NLTV and I can’t believe what I watch half the time. It’s not entertainment, and if this is what sustainability looks like then who is going to be in it for the long term? Maybe 1,000-1,500 hardcore of fans
I can see attendances in NLN next season:
Midweek: 1,500 to 1,800
Saturday: 2,250 to 2,500Do we really need four stands open for such low numbers?
It might save a few bob?
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February 21, 2024 at 7:33 pm #281546Here’s another reality check, awayego your £4.5m ,is it deliberately inflated for effect or you have the wrong info? .Wharton left us with a debt around £2m not as you claim,he also left us wit a football ground.
Swanny, how nice and is Dave Hilti ? Don’t bet on horses ,you’ll just get better for backing the wrong ones againFebruary 22, 2024 at 1:07 am #281552It isn’t losses that are the problem. It is the nature of it. Fight for everything and lose then you gave it all, but if you see players not 100% then gates will fall.
Thats hitting the nail on the head .. no one likes to follow a loosing team but the fact it appears some of the players dont care and offer little fight and pride in their chosen profession most certainly riles fan as they are not going to spend hard earned cash on such a wasted exercise.
After a brief spell of positivity early season on the field and getting GP sorted the roller coaster ride at SUFC trunddles on !! and after all the hard work by Michelle and co its sad its going so badly wrong on the pitch now. Im sure some issue will come to light as to just why the players arent playing for JD …time will tell.
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February 22, 2024 at 9:13 am #281565I can see attendances in NLN next season:
Midweek: 1,500 to 1,800
Saturday: 2,250 to 2,500Unless we’ve got a recreation of the Keith Hill team, then no chance.
February 22, 2024 at 9:37 am #281566We haven’t had to put up with bad football this season.
Indeed, we have had the best football seen in years: sharp, crisp, incisive and entertaining.
The issue is, that for not too many reasons which are obvious, in the last seven or eight weeks, we have let all that terrific stuff go hang.
Okay – losing Smith was a blow but we looked like a seriously good team before he gained a regular place in the team.
It’s not enough to say “Ah well, all the other teams have got us sussed now.”
Two factors: the team/squad should be improving not regressing the more they play together. Secondly, it is pretty unchallengeable if I say that the movement off the ball has deteriorated to a major degree.
This is for the manager to address. I, for one, am not seeing the input from the bench to get things back on track.February 22, 2024 at 10:05 am #281567Jimmy could well be clueless as a manager.
The players may have stopped playing for him.
How about the players start playing for the fans.
How about the players start playing for the Club.
How about the players start earning their wages.
How about the players show some pride in their performance.
How about the players realising how lucky they are to earn a living doing something millions do for nothing.
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February 22, 2024 at 10:23 am #281568February played 4 drawn 2 lost 2 Two points out of twelve.I this promotional form ?
February 22, 2024 at 2:58 pm #281583Torquay entering administration, Blyth sold to goodness-knows-who, Rochdale on the brink: for all of our problems this year, we still need to be thankful for the fact we still have a club and trust the people who are running it now.
It’s never going to be an easy walk back to glory, there will be plenty of bumps in the road, this is one of them.
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February 22, 2024 at 3:58 pm #281584Yes, it’s completely natural and normal for people to have opinions about what’s going wrong and what needs to happen. I trust Michelle and the Board to make the right decision in the best interests of the club. Meanwhile supporters should be free to express opinion without the need for aggressive reactions.
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February 22, 2024 at 5:05 pm #281585Torquay entering administration, Blyth sold to goodness-knows-who, Rochdale on the brink: for all of our problems this year, we still need to be thankful for the fact we still have a club and trust the people who are running it now.
It’s never going to be an easy walk back to glory, there will be plenty of bumps in the road, this is one of them.
Beat me to it. Rochdale could be in real trouble as they seem to be going down without much of a fight.
Blyth’s new owner has no traceable income and seems to preach from the same pulpit as Hilton. As soon as an owner mentions a 5 year plan you know you’re in trouble.
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February 23, 2024 at 2:02 pm #281602What are fans supposed to do cliff, accept mediocrity just because we still have a club ?. Very dangerous attitude to have, cliff. That’s the kind of attitude which stunts progression.
February 23, 2024 at 11:08 pm #281613On the contrary, I’d argue the opposite is a dangerous attitude to have and the main contributory factor why we ended up in this mess.
But we differ on opinions, and that’s fine, this isn’t the Facebook group and I respect you may see it different to me.
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February 26, 2024 at 9:16 am #281691What are fans supposed to do cliff, accept mediocrity just because we still have a club ?. Very dangerous attitude to have, cliff. That’s the kind of attitude which stunts progression.
One of the most corrosive things in football these days is fans “demanding ambition” from their club’s owners. As CBRP says, this is the sort of thing that just encourages over-spending and short-termism. Far too much of it around.
Spending money the club doesn’t have, getting into debt, not investing in anything long-lasting: ring any bells from the last 10 years?
February 26, 2024 at 10:23 am #281696‘On the contrary, I’d argue the opposite is a dangerous attitude to have and the main contributory factor why we ended up in this mess.’
Don’t entirely agree. There’s a balance to be had between conservatism and ambition. I think the main contributory factors in why we ended up in this mess are more down to the people heading it up. The first being incompetent, the second being a convicted fraudster.
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February 26, 2024 at 3:02 pm #281717Just seen Alfreton manager Heath YT vid summing up the game .. this fella needs a reality check he is deluded ..gushing how magnificent n fantastic they played whilst obviously forgetting the time wasting tactis from.the first whistle n ther keeper faining injury every time the Iron vit up a head if steam .. hiw sweet was that 95th minute winner in time added for time wasting ..
February 26, 2024 at 3:58 pm #281720Just seen Alfreton manager Heath YT vid summing up the game .. this fella needs a reality check he is deluded ..gushing how magnificent n fantastic they played whilst obviously forgetting the time wasting tactis from.the first whistle n ther keeper faining injury every time the Iron vit up a head if steam .. hiw sweet was that 95th minute winner in time added for time wasting ..
Yeah he also said they had no injury worries for their forthcoming game on Tuesday so I guess the really injured keeper must have an excellent recovery regime in place. Heath seemed to think his team were superb, I thought they were a bunch of time wasting, rough housing cheating bums but hey it’s all about opinions.
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February 28, 2024 at 9:25 am #281761Woking posting 1.2m losses for the 22-23 season. Another example of the lengths it may take to reach the football league.
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