Punching upwards?

[Gurnelista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2eeeep0npo

Surprised this hasn’t happened before.
Aren’t these the ones who have really taken control away from people and wrecked lives, families, businesses and the country?

[Just Iron]

Good article, Gurney. Yes ..its a sordid business and what happened was pretty inevitable given the level of suffering so many vulnerable and desperate people have been subjected to. And for what? Maxise the profit margin! A tragedy for this guys family but its brought the pathology of healthcare provision right to the forefront.

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unfortunately many in UK crave to destroy the NHS as they’ve been gaslit about it’s failings and become obsessed with tax cuts

[Gurnelista]

Just like with Brexit.

[Just Iron]

Better to keep on topic Gurney. It was a good observation
You blew a gasket when I said Brexit wasn’t all about the dosh and we’d need several years to fully assess. I’m looking at France. I’m looking at Germany. I’m looking at Italy..and Hungary ..and Poland ..and .. I’m still happy with my perspective.

[Siderite]

I think the lack of highlighting Brexit at all at the last election covers the previous government’s assessment and overall public perspective though. If it was such a positive I think they’d have highlighted it in their campaigning, instead of dropping it like a hot potato.

[Just Iron]

I don’t see anything but ‘ the jury’s out’ in my post, Sidey .. rather than touting positivity in any direction. It could also be that the country in general has moved on somewhat except for the committed few.

[Siderite]

I don’t think people are obsessing over it, by and large. It was a big event though, and if it was a success, I think it would have been brought up as a Tory feather in the cap back in May-July. I think the overall perception is that it didn’t really bring tangible benefits to people’s lives, but equally few want to stir it up again with talks of rejoining the EU, single or customs markets because that too would be a fraught, drawn out process in itself.

[Gurnelista]

No ‘jury’s out’ at all. Verdict’s been in for a while. People think it was a mistake.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/987347/brexit-opinion-poll/

You have to understand Labour’s strategy. If they’d talked about rejoining, it would have forced the Tories fight the election defending Brexit. But, health and the economy are voters’ main concerns, as we saw.

There will likely be a conversation about rejoining towards the next election.

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[Just Iron]

Entitled to your opinion as ever ..but that’s a pretty inconclusive poll, especially given recent developments since last Spring.
As I stated in the ‘big discussion’…. I’m with you on strengthening trade which I suspect ‘informs’ those polls. But its not all about the dosh. Centralisation of power to unelected and distant bureaucrats, imposition of homogenous cultural norms etc are still underlying grievances. The chaos in France, the deindustrialisation of Germany, the violence in Sweden, the cultural conservatism of the East.. its all yet to fully play out and may prove terminal for the EU sooner than we think. On the other hand ..unless the UKs current administration gets its act together we may find that the EU wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole :)

[Deereyme66]

‘unless the UKs current administration gets its act together we may find that the EU wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole’

Remind me how long the Tories were governing for? And you expect the new government to sort out their mess within months? Laughable

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[Northumbiron]

I don’t know you talk to JI, but if you’re like me most of the company you keep is of a similar political leaning to yourself (which is why you keep company with them in the first place). So I guess you hear what you want to hear.

I’m a member of the European Movement and I can tell you that the issue may have moved to the back boiler but it’s still bubbling away there.

[Siderite]

I think there’s enough evidence that the wider public don’t see Brexit as a great success, but like you say, echo chambers are a thing. I don’t think the wider public are so vested in reigniting the issue as the European Movement.

[Heath]

“trade which I suspect ‘informs’ those polls”.

Your “perspective” is way off target if you think trade is the main reason.

[Northumbiron]

You’re probably right Sidey. But it’s more than likely that the things that concern them more have been made worse by the “B” word.

[Just Iron]

Heath wrote:

“trade which I suspect ‘informs’ those polls”.

Your “perspective” is way off target if you think trade is the main reason.

I do think that it’s the dosh, Heath ie the perception that we’ve sacrificed trade benefits. I’m curious as to what you think would fuel a drive to re entry outside of that?

[Just Iron]

NI .. its a fair warning you give regarding keeping company only with those of a similar persuasion. I definitely try not to … probably why some of my friends struggle with my ‘opinions.’ To be honest ..I’m yet to find a ‘bubble’ that I don’t feel like bursting :)

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