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August 1, 2022 at 7:14 am #241670
It’s definitely an emotional subject, Siderite so terms like ‘murder’ may well tend to inflame … as might repetitions of ‘ridiculous’ if you don’t like the argument.
I’d like to ask if it just Christian pro lifers that you have problems with … Or all pro lifers? And also whether you are sure that there is no ongoing care and concern from Christian groups and charities who take a pro life stance. I support a Christian charity that is definitely pro life yet also offers a range of services and resources to support mothers and children … and offers therapeutic counselling to the many women ( and some men) who come to find relief from pained consciences after an abortion which, in some cases, have plagued them for years. It is not the only Christian charity I know of which does the same. Maybe they are rare exceptions to your rule … but I don’t think so.I am against any belief infringing upon the rights of others. I have nothing against Christian groups (or any other religion) preaching their beliefs, such as anti-abortion beliefs, to the pulpit. I have nothing against them forming such charities, though I am sceptical about their methods and beliefs. I have no right to interfere with their beliefs, so long as it doesn’t impact the rights of others.
However, my main gripe is that the reciprocation isn’t there. It’s perhaps understandable why they do it, but the influence over state law is too much. They are entitled to their beliefs, but law shouldn’t be based on Christian, Islamic or any other religious belief. That’s what leads to misery for those of use not of that religion.
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August 1, 2022 at 7:23 am #241671I’ve got drawn in again, Deerey .. I should go to bed.
First .. there’s much that can be truthfully said to be negative about Trump’s character and presentation. No dispute from me. Having said that I actually don’t agree with you regarding his intelligence.
In terms of my comment at the time of the last election it was definitely a comment regarding a stark directional choice the US electorate was facing. Yes … the abortion issue would be one that would influence me greatly for the reasons outlined above… as well as other policy issues which concerned me from the Democratic Party. They may be wrong .. but I think the millions who have tasted this new direction and who reject it in the upcoming midterms will bear testimony that many have come to share my concerns.
If I had my way I would probably hope for Trump to endorse one of the several very able potential candidates for the 2024 election and not run again. Let’s see.The problems facing the US are manifold. However, I do laugh at the idea of other able candidates. The Republicans have lost all connection with democratic norms, as their yapping about vote rigging and attempts to excuse or even support the Jan 6th insurrection supports. There may be many people won over by them, but that’s the concerning thing about a radicalised population, who drive a large chunk of this.
And, no, I don’t care about hurting their feelings if they don’t like the bluntness of this. We care too much about being ‘reasonable’ about people who believe in Qanon nonsense, vote rigging conspiracies, homophobic and much racist rhetoric. Of course these won’t apply to all, but they apply to a significant number of Republican voter base now, as evident by all the idiots in the party catering to this rhetoric. Heck, even more ‘reasonable’ Republicans like Marco Rubio daren’t stray far from this, because it would risk anger. This is the Republican party now, and it’s deeply concerning. I am wary of things like anti-Semitism from ‘the Squad’ in the Democrats, so it’s not that I think they are perfect, but the rot is far more ingrained in the Republicans.
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August 1, 2022 at 7:36 am #241672“BPG doesn’t know the meaning of the term “Marxist”.
I do,BUT I always use neo-Marxist in my posts on the subject.
You probably haven’t understood the term neo- Marxism (maybe others like Deeryme66 ,JI,Gunrney etc haven’t?
The Frankfurt school and critical theory (neo-Marxism) has been influencing university thinking for decades (it’s been a long March!). This has culminated in the full steam attack on cultures with this way of thinking.
The very intelligent on here should take a look at topics on the internet that explain NEO- Marxism with explaination of the Frankfurt school and critical theory.
Unfortunately you’re behind the times with the old “Wolfie smith” Marxism.August 1, 2022 at 7:51 am #241675I am aware of the conspiracy theory, yes. I am aware of the conspiracy’s links with the far-right and anti-Semitism too.
For a general starter, here’s a link to the conspiracy, though I am sure BPG will suggest some far-right goon is more believable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
August 1, 2022 at 8:10 am #241676This isn’t to say anyone proposing it is an anti-Semite. Nor does it mean that there isn’t something to go on. Academia is predominantly liberal, but it’s less to do with a fiendish conspiracy to destroy society, more because the job itself suits liberal dispositions more, the nature of the work and pay etc.
August 1, 2022 at 8:31 am #241680As you appear to be interested in the subject Siderite,take a look at Wikipedia- “Frankfurt School “.
Come back to me once you’ve read it and explain in your words how it’s just a “conspiracy theory.”August 1, 2022 at 8:45 am #241683I find the idea that some obscure academics theorising about social development is evidence of some global plot fanciful.
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August 1, 2022 at 8:55 am #241688…that’s what they said about Karl Marx,unfortunately! Let’s hope the intellectuals on here Deeryme66,JI,NI,Gurney etc have a more in depth reply.
August 1, 2022 at 9:13 am #241703Ah, yes, the insult to intelligence. Yet you provide zero evidence for this grand plot, so I am going to take such with a pinch of salt. If you cannot back up your conspiracy, then it will be dismissed. You seem to think you’re standing on firm ground, intellectually, but it’s just a castle made from sand. ;-)
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August 1, 2022 at 9:30 am #241708It goes back to his religious beliefs Siderite, it’s his only defence because the Lord is always right. It’s the crutch bill and others use all the time, we speak about cults and the influences they have over people. Religion?
August 1, 2022 at 10:43 am #241714…that’s what they said about Karl Marx,unfortunately! Let’s hope the intellectuals on here Deeryme66,JI,NI,Gurney etc have a more in depth reply.
It doesn’t merit a more in depth reply than Siderite has already given Bpg. And you may recall The influence of The Frankfurt School and Neo-Marxism was brought up by you a year or so ago. Historically there has been some influence on academia, but there’s also been a high number of thinkers and writers like Popper, Nietzsche, and more recently the likes of Jordan Peterson, who influence the right and far right. It’s simply unfeasible to claim there is some neo-Marxism plot or movement to control the World. It’s poppycock for at least two reasons. One, you can’t prove it infallibly, and two, survey the global political and cultural landscape, it’s more right wing than ever. If you were saying all this before the fall of the USSR and other communist regimes you may have had a point. Saying it now just demonstrates you’ve bought the whole faux culture war championed by the right, hook line and sinker. It feeds off fear and paranoia.
August 1, 2022 at 11:14 am #241715…just look around you and see the influence of FS and CT.
This doesn’t mean as you state the “worldview” against this neo- Marxism isn’t trying its best to defeat this ideology. The fear is the hundreds of millions who died when Marxism failed in the 20th century isn’t repeated and even more catastrophic outcomes result with this new flawed “worldview.”August 1, 2022 at 11:32 am #241717Madness.
August 1, 2022 at 11:38 am #241719..intellectual input much appreciated.
August 1, 2022 at 11:41 am #241720There doesn’t need to be for someone who is talking about catastrophic deaths from Marxism in the UK during 21st century. It’s too stupid to bother with, and taken seriously by those more credulous than a lemming.
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August 1, 2022 at 12:04 pm #241723……you seem to be confusing Marxism (Karl Marx theology) with Neo -Marxism which is completely different. I wonder if others on this site understand the difference?
August 1, 2022 at 12:06 pm #241724I know the portrayed difference; you have specified. It’s still stupid and the idea of it leading to deaths and misery, as suggested, is only believed by the gullible.
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August 1, 2022 at 12:36 pm #241726Madness.
One Step Beyond.
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August 1, 2022 at 12:45 pm #241727One things for certain the “ power to the people” Wolfie smith ideology of some on this site is completely different to the neo- Marxist ideology that wants the global elites in charge and the people as their slaves,with no freedom.
Our freedoms are being taken away from us for our own good! Anyone else see the pattern? Cashless society- it could never happen,digital ID(for your own good and safety-it could never happen.Lots understand the fight we are in,lots don’t.August 1, 2022 at 12:56 pm #241728Those freedoms aren’t being taken away by the left / neo-Marxists, they’re being taken away by the right. What world are you existing in Bpg? Because it bears no resemblance to reality! The irony is, it’s left leaning liberals who are trying to hang on to freedoms, justice and equality. You’ve got this all upside down.
August 1, 2022 at 12:59 pm #241730The move to a cashless society has got nothing to do with politics and certainly not ‘neo-Marxism’, it’s environment and technology led
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August 1, 2022 at 1:34 pm #241732Your “Wolfie smith “ ideology,rigid that left is Marxism and right is fascism is old school . You have been swept away by a new worldview. Neo- Marxism ( you think this is left!!)is a new globalist ideology ( not a worldview of “ power to the people”).The global elite ( who believe there is no transcendental value to life)will not stop until you ask ,”where have all my freedoms gone?” Unfortunately it will be too late.
August 1, 2022 at 1:37 pm #241733A reason why conspiracy theories appeal is because they reduce what are complex topics into a distilled and simple worldview which is easy to understand and reduces uncertainty. The problem with trying to deal with complexity is that the solutions are not easy, nor are they without issues. Making it all because of a insidious group’s bidding makes it easier to pin down, reducing the anxiety.
As Deerey says, a lot of the issues over our lives and how free we are come down to technology. However, this isn’t complex. There have been many wonders of technology, which has led to breakthroughs in science and medicine, helping us to live longer lives. However, the ability of our phones to store information has made us easy to track and monitor, which can be abused by authoritarian regimes. The improvement of AI has allowed countries like China to monitor dissidents far easier and restrict freedom. Growing access to social media has connected us to the world and has enabled us to easily talk to friends or family who live far away, and make friends we never would have normally made pre-internet. However, people have siphoned off into their echo chambers, where they surround themselves with people who agree with them on most things, so don’t expose themselves to challenging thought. Information is readily available from the search of Google. However, various groups of all stripes send disinformation across social media and the internet, allowing people to comfort their own opinion than truly challenge it with evidence based dissent.
There are many problems here which affect people to be free. However, the idea that it’s all some neo-Marxist plot takes some believing. I am aware you say that it’s not traditional Marxism, BPG, but what you are referring to is still stemming from Marxism (according to the proponents of this) and of the left. Yet, many countries and societies are losing freedom from the right. Facebook aren’t harvesting data from you for some neo-Marxist conspiracy; they do it, because it makes them a profit from who they sell it to. Hungary, Russia and India* are losing their freedoms to dissent because of a right wing ideology. Of course leftist dictatorial states still exist (e.g. Venezuela, Cuba), but to portray all of modern problems as a simplistic, good v bad narrative, where only a leftist faction is to blame is rather fanciful.
*And they justify their turn to tyranny as opposition to cultural Marxism.
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August 1, 2022 at 2:01 pm #241735…”.yet,many countries and societies are losing freedoms from the right.”
The old school “left “and “right “rings loud in all the “Wolfie smiths”posts on this site.
Look again ,you are being swallowed up by the global elites,( I won’t call them neo- Marxists if it sounds better),but the truth is the ideology is frightening for the future. The “great reset” is not a conspiracy theory,they actually tell us,” you will own nothing and you will be happy!!” etc etc. Anyway I’ve tried .August 1, 2022 at 2:03 pm #241736I am not a Wolfie Smith leftist either. I am no fan of communism. I am a boring old centre-left social-democrat moderate.
August 1, 2022 at 2:27 pm #241738As usual bill you are very trying.
August 1, 2022 at 2:38 pm #241741I’m hardly Wolfie Smith either (though I used to love Citizen Smith). Think you’ll find a poster like Fansy to fit your WS tag.
August 1, 2022 at 4:38 pm #241750Funniest part was when his mother in law referred to him as Foxy.
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August 1, 2022 at 5:20 pm #241753Yes, but not as funny as Trigger calling Rodney, Dave 😆
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August 1, 2022 at 9:51 pm #241770I agree you tried Bpg. You’ve tried to convince anyone who reads this thread that black is white and 2+2=5. What’s that saying? ‘God loves a trier’?
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