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February 12, 2023 at 1:41 pm #255496
Only a problem for twenty of the Nation’s football clubs!
February 12, 2023 at 4:46 pm #255499AnonymousInactiveOffline
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February 12, 2023 at 5:17 pm #255500Once again it’s not the technology at fault but the interpretation of the law by different officials on the day monitoring it and yesterday an on field referee not paying attention to what he was actually seeing. For something that was designed to make the game fairer and decision making easier it’s just turned into a complete bag of bollocks.
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February 12, 2023 at 6:41 pm #255502Celebrating the same goal five minutes apart is only something we could have dreamed of just a few years ago.
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February 12, 2023 at 6:45 pm #255504….or ruling one out.
February 12, 2023 at 7:19 pm #255505Human failure yet again – not Lee Masons finest few minutes !!
February 12, 2023 at 9:34 pm #255507Celebrating the same goal five minutes apart is only something we could have dreamed of just a few years ago.
Is the implementation of VAR policy of the ruling elites, as theorised by the cultural Marxists emanating from the Frankfurt school to the WEF and beyond, a part of the upcoming totalitarian state? :-)
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February 12, 2023 at 10:07 pm #255510Stop poking bill with a stick Siderite FFS, you know he’ll turn all biblical at the drop of a hat.
February 13, 2023 at 10:02 am #255512So if it’s ultimately down to human interpretation why not just let the ref and linesmen decide like down here in the plebs’ leagues?
Or is it done because the PL teams are something special?
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February 13, 2023 at 4:23 pm #255519The Premiership is stuffed with clubs as pretentious and pampered to hell, VAR is the result of moaning and groaning about poor refereeing decisions over many years and in particular some of the bigger powerful clubs not being satisfied with ” their lot ” all the time. VAR was going to be the bees knees but it’s turned out to be total crap, goal line technology withstanding. If they had come to a common sense approach about the interpretation of offside when VAR was first launched, none of this would be happening, it’s entirely of their own stupid making.
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February 13, 2023 at 6:42 pm #255521Come more from international games Germany v England especially than the premier lge,clear and obvious was the first mantra. Keep goal line technology and bin Var would see most fans happy.
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February 13, 2023 at 8:48 pm #255523VAR probably would work providing you didn’t have clueless morons using it. Thing is with referees in this country is that they all interpret the laws within officiating differently so on any given day you’re always going to different decisions with very little consistency.
I’d rather they all didn’t go rogue and just all strictly followed refereeing guidelines, least then you’d have consistent decisions.
I just wish they went back to how it was. As somebody said above, keep it for goal line technology. Get the refs to all follow the same guidelines, ditch the shitty offside 1st and second phase bullshit where they blow up about a minute after it’s obvious they’re offside.
They’ve over complicated football for the sake of it and somewhat ruined it.
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February 14, 2023 at 7:12 am #255524VAR probably would work providing you didn’t have clueless morons using it.
Ridiculous comment, mistakes will always happen when left to human interpretation, we could all sit and watch 10 random penalty decisions and there is not a cat in hell’s chance we will all make the same decision, doesn’t mean we are morons, we just interpretate things differently.
February 14, 2023 at 8:13 am #255525The umpiring decisions in cricket have improved beyond measure. Not ‘like with like’ maybe, but rather, ‘like with similar’.
February 14, 2023 at 9:13 am #255527Thing is with cricket les, they have umpires call which is non negotiable and quite right too. In football they will say to a ref, ” in retrospect go back and have a look at this for a penalty “, different interpretation of how the technology works in football compared to cricket. The cricket version of how it’s interpreted and used is far superior to football because the initial interpretation of umpires call isn’t questioned.
February 14, 2023 at 9:33 am #255528Also cricket is a sport where delay doesn’t affect the feel of the game so much. Football isn’t as stop/start, so anything which disrupts the flow is more noticeable and if it results in a dubious VAR decision there will be frustration. Whereas, some more time deliberating in cricket is less of an issue because there are inherent stoppages (between runs and overs) which do not matter if they last a bit longer than average.
February 14, 2023 at 10:37 am #255529Cricket DRS was designed to “eliminate clear and obvious errors.” Missing an offside knee cannot be described thus so Ref/Asst Ref’s call would stand. Too controversial?
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February 14, 2023 at 11:20 am #255539The umpiring decisions in cricket have improved beyond measure. Not ‘like with like’ maybe, but rather, ‘like with similar’.
I agree in some respects but fundamentally I still hate that you can’t celebrate your team taking a wicket because you’ve no idea if it will actually be out or not when the umpire’s finger is raised.
The trouble with these technological approaches to refereeing/umpiring is that all you do is you narrow the window of debate: so whereas before we would look at a player half a yard beyond the last defender and all be pretty certain that he was offside, now we have to look at the leg hairs of the players to make the same decision. The same applies in cricket where run-outs/stumpings/no balls are judged by fractions of the players’ boot being behind the line – or not.
Frankly, we’ve reached this situation because as a game we weren’t mature enough just to shut up and accept decisions. You end up with Match of the Day spending no time analysing strikers missing open goals or defenders passing the ball straight to opponents, you just get loads of discussion of whether the referee’s decisions were “correct”. And a decision in football often isn’t “correct” because it’s a matter of interpretation by a human being. Pundits who talk about “correct decisions” are themselves fundamentally wrong.
When VAR was first proposed, the errors that were highlighted like Frank Lampard’s “goal” in the world cup against Germany, were such obvious errors that the solution was to work with officials and raise the general standard, not ruin the game for the sake of the odd gaffe.
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February 14, 2023 at 1:31 pm #255545What about a set number of reviews of VAR per team per game?, in cricket teams are allowed so many reviews per innings then once they are used up then that’s your lot. Plenty of teams asking refs about the validity of a decision and then VAR is used, perhaps three per game and then you have no more left to question the ref?. Just a thought.
February 14, 2023 at 2:00 pm #255548One in each half by the players not the management, win it you keep it.
February 14, 2023 at 2:34 pm #255549What about a set number of reviews of VAR per team per game?, in cricket teams are allowed so many reviews per innings then once they are used up then that’s your lot. Plenty of teams asking refs about the validity of a decision and then VAR is used, perhaps three per game and then you have no more left to question the ref?. Just a thought.
I think this would be terrible in football. In cricket you see loads of speculative reviews when teams try it on “just in case”. In cricket, the ball’s always dead at this point but at what point would you use them in football? Because I can see loads of teams using reviews late on in games to try to disrupt the opposition, perhaps even breaking up counterattacks? I just think it would add to the current confusion.
But ultimately while you’ve got people like WG who either don’t understand the laws of the game or who refuse to understand them, what help have we got?
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