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    Northumbiron
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    … your regulation cut-and-paste reply format from CORBYN to STARMER?

    That’s S-T-A-R-M-E-R.

    He’s a knight of the realm and not a woman. Just two things you can pick up on, however given time I’m sure you’ll be able to dig up some creative dirt on the man.

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    #174599

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    It won’t be just the Tories. Ardent Corbynites are now whining about a damned ‘Blairite’ on social media, making out he’s some political horror because he’s not of the hard left.

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    From now on this should be a Corbyn free forum!! Ban the C word.

    Even Boris is asking for the Labour leader’s help. I wonder why the letter was sent today?

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    Where in my post did I address it to “Tories”?

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    #174604

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    Nowhere, but given that Starmer is not of the Corbyn group, I would just like to point out that we are likely to see critical comments of him made by two groups. The Tories and Corbynites who won’t like that someone of their group is no longer leader.

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    Good, he needs a very big brush to sweep away the nutters that can’t/won’t accept the reasons Labour were demolished last December. Luckily he’s got over four years to do this.

    It’s our time.

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    #174610

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    I’ll support Starmer the way he supported Corbyn

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    I’ll support Starmer the way he supported Corbyn

    I’m sure he’ll lose no sleep whatsoever over that. Starmer will also expect the same support that Corbyn gave to those that went before him.

    It’s our time.

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    #174645

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    Nowhere, but given that Starmer is not of the Corbyn group, I would just like to point out that we are likely to see critical comments of him made by two groups. The Tories and Corbynites who won’t like that someone of their group is no longer leader.

    As far as I’m concerned, disgruntled Corbynites can either put up or shut up. I never thought it was a good move to have Corbyn as leader but accepted it and got behind him for the Party. Admittedly it was always with serious doubts. I’m only human FFS. Will the harder left accept Starmer and do the right thing in the name of the Party and supporting our fight? I really hope so.

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    The question ‘write my thesis‘ to our writers, and you will know that affordable thesis writing service can be clubbed with quality write-ups.

    #174914

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    This has to be one of the laziest and most banal sales pitches I have ever read.

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    Is that you Zoe?

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    Nowhere, but given that Starmer is not of the Corbyn group, I would just like to point out that we are likely to see critical comments of him made by two groups. The Tories and Corbynites who won’t like that someone of their group is no longer leader.


    “who won’t like that someone of their group is no longer leader.” will they be enlisting pals in the Tory centric national press in their campaigns

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    You neglect to mention why they would fail to unify behind Corbyn or why they’d call him out. Corbyn was problematic, he has problematic views which extend beyond differences in beliefs in socialism. No-one has such a great issue with him because of differing beliefs on rail nationalisation, I don’t. However, he has a chequered history of aligning himself with some violent and racist groups or individuals. MPs were rightfully reluctant to back someone who is dodgy; for one, they could be tainted by association.

    Secondly, when there are allegations of unbecoming behaviour by Corbynites are MPs supposed to sit and take it? When Ruth Smeeth and Luciana Berger were abused horribly by members, were they supposed to ‘take it on the chin’ and not call it out. When the leadership showed no backbone in trying to make their own MPs feel safe in their own party, are they supposed to respect that leadership? If you had a boss who turned a blind eye to abuse from allies in the workplace, would you be snapping at those who spread this information elsewhere to gain awareness over the culture of accepting abuse? If so, then it doesn’t sound very socialist to me.

    The difference between then and now is that Starmer does not have any demonstrable baggage which makes him unsupportable, so making a principled stance to avoid backing him would be daft. If Corbynites don’t back Starmer it won’t be over some principled stance over problematic views held, as it was with Corbyn.

    Also, in a couple of days, by promising to address anti-Semitism, within the party, apologising for it and through holding meetings with the Jewish Labour Movement Starmer has started to build relations with the Jewish community. This is positive and a sign of good change, and puts to bed the ridiculous nonsense about how Corbyn was doing all he could to address Jewish concerns.

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    Corbyn banned party memebrs, he’s not done enough Starmer say he’ll do somenting he’s a saint.As for the bit about giving a chance,the day Corbyn got elected the right of the partu went into melt down,to claim he was given a chance is fanciful. MP’s the majority of whom were against the parties decision present he last 4 years filling your head with the above. Nothing I say will ever change what you believe, but I’d wager there are no mass expulsions as there will be no mass anti-Semitic movement proven in the labour party. I’ll ask you this, do you know an anti-Semitic labour member /voter?

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    Can you and BRI do us all a favour and lockdown your frequent disagreements about anti semitism in the Labour Party until this report comes out? Thanks.

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    Corbyn banned members? The ones whistle blowers said that the leadership team intervened in to prevent from banning? He himself defended anti-Semitic murals, has praised someone who invoked the Jewish blood libel and was involved with an event commemorating one of the Munich terrorists. Whenever the Jewish community demanded a response he refused to make direct apologies and got irritated. The amount of time lots of cases took for suspension was a joke, when everyone knows that if someone made racist comments against another group the offender would be out straight away (and rightfully so) Am I supposed to be impressed by this?

    Starmer isn’t a saint, but he’s making the right first impression. There’s a lot of work to do, but he’s showing signs of rebuilding trust. Corbyn didn’t do that, but we were told how hard it was for him to do so. Starmer makes that point look silly now.

    I am basing my own opinion from critical assessment of the situation, not what MPs tell me. MPs have stated their opinion, but you’d have to be the most ridiculous conspiracy theorist and Corbynite ideologue to just dismiss what they say because it hurts the Corbynite view. I made no comment on whether they gave him a chance. His problems were apparent from the outset and some did refuse to work for him on this basis, and given how problematic he was and is, this isn’t a bad thing. There were others who tried to work for him and gave up, but they got attacked as not uniting for him ever, when they rejected his leadership in 2016, because apparently when you think your party leader is crap and unsupportable you should go along regardless of the damages. And of course all objections made by such MPs were immediately dismissed, because one cannot argue against St. Jeremy without being ideologically compromised.

    Want to bet there won’t be expulsions? The EHRC report is coming and the results don’t look like they’ll be pretty (here). I am sure having members use language like this, hounding MPs out for being Jewish etc is just par the course of any party. When such rhetoric is similarly common against Muslims in the Conservatives we hear how the party is rotten and anti-Muslim from Corbynites, yet when it’s Corbyn’s Labour all we hear is how it’s only a few bad eggs, nothing to see here.

    As a matter of fact I do know some. I know some how spout utter crap about Rothschilds, Jewish/Zionist/Israeli lobbies out to bring Jeremy down, and play along with the whole Jews are conspiratorially minded canard. However, that doesn’t matter. You have to be blinkered to not see it in prominent leftist groups.

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