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Topics: 67Peter Kay did well with his phoenix club.
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Yes, I did. I apologise, as I thought I could edit it in quickly before a response could be made (and the 5 minute limit). I will say that this is one fan’s opinion, who is of the Bury AFC side, so others may think differently and I have no idea how much of the fanbase is split, since it’s just the one fan.
This fan spoke to me first when it came to Hilton. Suffice to say he isn’t a fan, and was telling me all the issues they found out when Hilton expressed interest in them. The failed companies, Britannia Law, suspected jail time etc.
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Topics: 67Yeah. I wouldn’t want us to become another MK Dons/Airdrie Utd situation.
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If we ever did need a phoenix club, we could just takeover at App Frod easily done lots of us are members already, the whole set up there is struggling for money and the money we could bring in could help save them as well, could soon get the name changed,
They play in the same league as a team I watch, there’s no money in it, the Social club keeps them going.
If the worst Happened some would go to App Frod, Winterton, Brigg, Barton. Some would give up football though.
Not Bottesford though. They can go **** themselves.
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With the club and ownership in its current state you gotta think it will effect things on the pitch
JD n Co are gonna have their work cut out to carry on the promising start with all the uncertainty hanging over the place.
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Topics: 67I would hope it does not come to a phoenix club .
Surely putting Hilton & Swann to one side, there is enough goodwill from supporters , the new board members and local organisations + the local authority that the club survives in it’s current format ; I don’t see what good it would be for anyone to just start again .
I think the most worrying aspect for me would be has Hilton made the debts/problems worse in his current tenure therefore making it more difficut to run the club in a way that it can repay debts and run sustainably to get back on an even footing . 4k crowds show the support is there even at nln level.
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A phoenix club is not the way to go, you already have your identity. As I see it, there are essential three considerations.
1) Hilton’s future – What does the future hold for him? It could now be the very possibility that it’s no longer his decision to make. Putting to one side ongoing investigations, where do the newly appointed board of directors sit on this? You can guarantee that a lot of this has come as a surprise to them, do they still want to be part of it and if they do, with Hilton in situ or not? Their silence would suggest to me that they have been well and truly caught in the headlights.
2) Immediate cashflow issues – What are they and how much is required to see the season out? I suspect those working in the club, even the directors, have little grasp of the club’s current financial position.
3) Glanford Park – How does the club regain ownership of the stadium? For me, Peter Swann owes you one. Swann and his advisors have dropped a massive one here, he knows it and I feel it’s only right that he takes a haircut, for the right people. The local council need to play a part, whether through the direct purchase of the stadium or to provide a mortgage facility for the club to purchase it, but none of this will happen with Hilton in situ. The Iron Trust, the local council, some of the existing board members and other local business people need to meet and get this deal done.
The silence from the club, board of directors, local media, Iron Trust, Football Association and the National League is deafening.
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I also think talk of a phoenix club is a little premature. However if things go badly in the next few months then it would do no harm to think seriously about it quite soon.
What is a football club? A community of fans, and a tiny number of professionals, supported by a wider group of volunteers, at this level.
In six months Scunthorpe United could lose control of Glanford Park and be completely insolvent. It’s not fanciful to think this could be the club’s last season in it’s current form. If the club goes, as the first post shows, it will be at least a decade for a return to the five o’clock football results on a Saturday. The quickest return from a disaster was AFC Wimbledon who took nine years to return from their foundation, after the awful MK franchising, to being members of League Two.
Some old league names vanished in the seventies and are still in non-league- Workington, Southport, Bradford PA. Barrow took half a century and several near extinctions before making it back.
To be competitive in the fifth tier (the National League) I’d say you need a playing budget of 1.5-2 million to be competitive nowadays. That’s daft money. Effectively, it means just over half the clubs have some chance of promotion whereas the rest are just happy to be competing at that level.
I agree that every effort should be made to keep the current Scunthorpe United entity going. However, the support may face the situation where that’s not possible, quite soon. In which case, basic questions:
Who will establish a new club?
On what basis- private business, CIC, co-op?
Where will it play?
How will it be funded?
What level will the club start at and what will be the realistic timeframe for progress back towards competing at the current / one level above?
It will take a year or so to at least have some answer to all these tricky questions. Timing is everything if the worst happens and the fans still want to see a Scunthorpe team playing at some level next year.
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