Olive Trees

[Deereyme66]

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1742172982028460194?t=oAThdBj51lJsyvU8nMcmgg&s=19

[Iron-awe]

When the olive groves have all been flattened will an Israeli hand a single branch to a Palestinian and say, ” oh by the way this is a joke “?

[Iron Age]

It doesn’t surprise me, they have a policy of bulldozing family homes and olive trees for even a minor misdemeanor by a family member.

[IronIronIron]

And the politicians will say ” You shouldn’t do that”, but will do nothing to stop it continuing.

I find the lack of action by the UK
& USA so depressing.

[Deereyme66]

I sincerely doubt they will do anything to stop it but sincerely hope they stop the voluntary migration planning firmly in it’s tracks.

[Siderite]

The Israeli defence minister spoke ot against such comments yesterday and said the plan is to have Palestine under control by Palestinians.

[Deereyme66]

My other half has said she’s planning to resist buying more second hand objects d’art from charity shops this year.

[Siderite]

I am just saying the worst scenario isn’t a given.

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Deereyme66

[Heath]

“The Israeli defence minister spoke ot against such comments yesterday and said the plan is to have Palestine under control by Palestinians”.

Did he? And did he do (diddydo) anything to stop it happening,

[Siderite]

You do realise that the relocation rubbish is just talk at the moment, just as much as this is? It’s not set in stone. I thought it was my outlook that was supposed to be bleak!

[Siderite]

None of it means we shouldn’t be worried, the talk is worrying. I am trying to say that hope is not yet dead.

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Deereyme66

[Deereyme66]

Siderite wrote:

I am just saying the worst scenario isn’t a given.

Fair enough. I’m saying I wouldn’t trust what that official says

[Deereyme66]

Siderite wrote:

You do realise that the relocation rubbish is just talk at the moment, just as much as this is? It’s not set in stone. I thought it was my outlook that was supposed to be bleak!

Of course people realise that, and you know that I’m sure, so why make such a big point? You do realise that actions are often taken following talk I assume? Blimey.

[Deereyme66]

At least our conversation continues on this subject, despite the disagreements, loggerheads, misunderstandings etc. I think that’s a good thing. Worse to quit the claims and responses and shut up shop. Part of the wider problem the world over.

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Siderite

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

Siderite wrote:

You do realise that the relocation rubbish is just talk at the moment, just as much as this is? It’s not set in stone. I thought it was my outlook that was supposed to be bleak!

Of course people realise that, and you know that I’m sure, so why make such a big point? You do realise that actions are often taken following talk I assume? Blimey.

I am not meaning to make it a big point, I was responding to Heath who was speaking as if it was a foregone conclusion and the defence minister had to change course. I am aware that such talk can lead to action, but the words of Ben-Gvir are no more of a certainty than that of Gallant’s and Netanyahu’s words and discussions with other nations haven’t yet brought a definitive solution, so I found Heath’s comment to be fatalistic when there are still ways it could play out differently. There are many things that can happen, including the removing of Netanyahu or pressure from outside if Biden and others make an effort. Still room for hope imo.

[Siderite]

Deereyme66 wrote:

At least our conversation continues on this subject, despite the disagreements, loggerheads, misunderstandings etc. I think that’s a good thing. Worse to quit the claims and responses and shut up shop. Part of the wider problem the world over.

Yeah, I appreciate the lack of insults and abuse. It’s not like twitter where any disagreement usually ends with insults, attempts to abuse and attempts at gotcha. Depending on what I am talking about, I am either a ‘fascist’ or a ‘communist’. Since October 7th I have managed to find myself blocked by the left wing Owen Jones and the right wing Leo Kearse when discussing issues arising from it. The polarisation on there is frightening on this, and many issues, and that is what worries me. The division into different echo chambers where neither can understand each other and actively hate the other side. Go on any post sympathetic to Jews in anyway and the comments are a bin fire of people hating on Jews, mocking hostages for their looks and asking why Hamas would rape an ugly Jewish ****. The same is on some on the other side with comments of ‘no innocent Palestinians’, ‘goat shagging Palestinians’ and Julia Hartley-Brewer today saying this:

Appalling racism by Julia Hartley-Brewer @JuliaHB1 with Palestinian MP Dr Mustafa Barghouti: ‘Maybe you are not used to women talking’

Complete disrespect for a beautiful & decent man who has devoted his life to community & public health

Apology requiredpic.twitter.com/8Oft84king

— Stewart Mills (@StewartMills) January 5, 2024

I know I can be guilty of acting on emotion and I have been trying to amend that. I just see it as a difference in opinion really; no point letting that divide people too much (within reason) or you’ll have no friends. I won’t share 100% agreement with many, so if I let such cause division, I would be lonely. Also, people make mistakes, so it’s good to be forgiving and not hanging on to any old grievances.

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Deereyme66

[Iron Age]

I can’t believe that anyone listens to Hartley-Brewer, I suppose it is Talk TV though.
Not quite the same as when Nick Robinson told Boris to stop talking and let him ask a question.

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Deereyme66

[Deereyme66]

Based on what you’ve just said Siderite, I don’t know how you can be arsed with all that Twitter / X. Each to their own bit don’t you find it a bit futile amd draining? Your other point about acting on emotion btw, we’re all guilty of that aren’t we. Not sure what the solution is apart from checking ourselves / not responding so quickly and rashly maybe? Thinking about myself here, not pointing fingers.

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Siderite

[Siderite]

Yeah, I agree on the solution. There have been times where I wished I’d held back and the time to edit a post has passed, so I am stuck with something I would have worded differently later on. I also thinking of not always assuming the worst angle from those you’re debating with, and I am thinking of myself here too. Not just with this, but with how I have debated with Bucks or JI previously on divisive issues.

On twitter, it can be hugely frustrating to see tribalism dominate, but behind that, there can be some joy in finding people who hold views which make you think and articles from more obscure places that you wouldn’t have come across otherwise (I wouldn’t have come across Ahmed Alkhatib’s work otherwise). I found Oz Katerji (https://twitter.com/OzKaterji) through this and he is one of my most respected journalists reporting on issues abroad. It can cause you to feel less isolated when you meet people of similar mindsets and I did meet up with a couple of tweeters last year in London, who are both of a similar political persuasion. This can be comforting, but it’s important not to fall down into it too much so the only people you are amicable with are those of the same mindset, because that breeds echo chambers, tribalism and a feeling that anyone who thinks differently must be working against you. It can be done though if you’re careful. The site can also provide a chance to laugh at the silliness too whenever something ridiculous trends. Be it ‘bean dad’ (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/bean-dad) or when Jolyon Maugham boasted about going out in his wife’s kimono to bash a fox to death with a baseball bat (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/26/prominent-lawyer-jolyon-maugham-tweets-about-clubbing-a-fox-to-death)

[Deereyme66]

an interesting post…

What about Zionism? Most Palestinians believe that their traumatic lived experience is the direct result of Zionism & the Zionist project. My grandparents were pushed out of their homes in 1948, and I very much carry a generational trauma from their displacement. However, so many…

— Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib (@afalkhatib) January 6, 2024

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Just Iron

[Siderite]

Saw that post and liked it. I wish there were more voices like him.

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Just Iron

[Iron Age]

Sometimes it’s worth a look back. Even then the truth is obscure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00b91vj/the-birth-of-israel

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