Nutall

[Ferrite]

Northumbiron wrote:

So maybe the supporters’ angst would be better directed at at those who brought the utter shite to the SVS (because Nuttall is far from being the only one)

I get the impression people are more annoyed by Nuttall’s workrate – or lack thereof – that by his goal scoring – or lack thereof.

[cassidystash]

Had he scored the tap in and squared the other chance for a tap in for somebody else he’d be a hero and his perceived lack of effort would be irrelevant. Fine lines.

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[MK Iron]

It’s all about opinions of course but I don’t think it’s lack of effort with Nuttall. He had barely played a game in th 18 months before he came here. That’s how we were able to get him.

He had no fitness and even less confidence. He has sorted out the fitness but confidence for a striker means scoring some goals. Difficult to do in a side like ours that creates so few chances.

My frustration (and those that sit around me) on Saturday is that for a big strong looking lad he gets bullied to easily by centre backs. He looks as if he should be bullying them and he doesn’t. Of course he missed a very good chance after good work by Wilson in the first half. He possibly took the wrong option with the opportunity in the second half but I expect centre forwards to back themselves when in that position.

Hooper and Sharpe used to miss chances but they often got 4 or 5 opportunities in a game. Nuttall has had 4 or 5 since he arrived.

Yes he should apologise to fans if he raised a finger but it shows the fellow cares and was, I’m sure angry and frustrated with himself.

There is a player in there and with a full pre-season, a few decent chances and half a dozen goals under his belt I think he could not only do well next season but become a saleable asset.

I would still like to see a bit more devil in him though.

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[cassidystash]

Apology on SUFC twitter, can we draw a line under this now and give the guy a chance to show he is genuinely sorry.

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[Awaywego]

Probably not that will be down to the young uns, even before Saturday I didn’t expect him to be here next year, if he’s got a longer contract ala Jarvis for me.

[WonderGoals]

I’d rather get rid of try young Harrison Poulter for now and see how he does. Nuttall can piss of for me, we don’t need his ilk here.

Apart from that he’s complete shite. Wins very little in the air, his work rate off the ball is poor, he’s blinkered when it comes to passing to his team mates and his finishing is laughable.

I had his back early on as he’s not had many games but he’s had enough now to have got most of that back and he’s still been complete crap.

Not for me.

[cassidystash]

Easy to say, I’ll repeat my earlier post and await your response:-

“A potentially difficult situation if he’s contracted for next season. Can we move him on? Where to? Do we pay him to not play as we’ve done with KDT & Perry? Not a great use of resources when you’re on a limited budget is it.”

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[Just Iron]

I’ve seen Nutall’s apology. Exactly what was required in my opinion. A repeated apology, no hiding behind excuses but explains his emotions, a statement of intent to do better. As I said before … if all that was forthcoming then … forgive, forget, move on.

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[MK Iron]

Much easier for Hill to ignore the likes of Jarvis, KDT and Perry as he had nothing to do with bringing them here or giving them 2 year contracts.

Let’s face it none of them have done anything to suggest they can perform at L2 or National League level. If they won’t agree to pay offs we should be trying to get them season long loans in tiers 6 or 7 to cut our losses.

As with many things Swann and Cygnet can have all the credit for those 3 doozies.

Hill’s honeymoon ends at 17:00 next Saturday so I think it’s fair to be judging Nuttall and a few others a bit more critically from then on.

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[WonderGoals]

I think Nuttall was only here on a 1yr contract. I could be wrong though though.

[Pat O’Cake]

Anonymous wrote:

Their idea of support is sometimes rather idiotic. Singing derogatory chants about OUR own team and hurling dogs abuse at OUR own players is no way to support them.

They should concentrate their energy on the opposition players if they need someone to abuse!

NO PLAYER GOES OUT ONTO THE PITCH TO MAKE MISTAKES ON PURPOSE!

Nobody got dog’s abuse, stop being such a drama queen!

[ironlion82]

It’s ok saying Nuttalls gesture was spur of the moment etc but I did nt see it but read he also carried on after the final whistle !
If that’s true it’s hardly spur of the moment.
In most professions his actions would lead to instant dismissal contract or no contract as the Fans are the Clubs customers.
He should go and we will hardly miss his goals !

[lucentdream]

ironlion82 wrote:

In most professions his actions would lead to instant dismissal contract or no contract as the Fans are the Clubs customers.

In most other professions, there isn’t a baying mob giving you abuse. I would like to come to your workplace and shout “ironlion82 you are a useless ****” and heckle constantly and see how you react.

[Northumbiron]

Have we ever had a forward who was woeful one season, then prolific the next?

Can’t think of any off the top of my head.

[MK Iron]

Had quite a few that have been woeful one season and woeful the next.

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[Northumbiron]

Precisely. And they usually get left out or loaned out until their contract is up.

KDT the most recent example.

Can’t afford any passengers on next year’s budget.

[cassidystash]

Some strikers don’t even get a chance to be woeful in an Iron shirt.
Kelsey Mooney & Jonny Margetts spring to mind.

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[Ferrite]

Northumbiron wrote:

Have we ever had a forward who was woeful one season, then prolific the next?

Can’t think of any off the top of my head.

Like Kyle Wootton and Matt Godden?

Andy Keogh didn’t exactly hit the ground running but was transformed when he signed permanently. Martin Carruthers took a long time to hit his stride after signing but hit 20 goals the following season. Torpey was never “prolific” but looked a lot better after we were relegated to the 4th division in 2000.

[Iron-awe]

lucentdream wrote:

ironlion82 wrote:

In most professions his actions would lead to instant dismissal contract or no contract as the Fans are the Clubs customers.

In most other professions, there isn’t a baying mob giving you abuse. I would like to come to your workplace and shout “ironlion82 you are a useless cunt” and heckle constantly and see how you react.

ironlion82 might surprise you by coming outside and saying, ” yeah I know I am but thanks for dropping in to remind me “.

[Sanfran49]

Simple question – having seen him since the january window was he worth the gamble ?

[j charles]

Lucentdream in reply to your post maybe you should try being an emergency worker to see how some members of the public respond to people just doing their job.

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[lucentdream]

IronLion seems like a really angry guy
He needs to chill out
Outraged by everything.
Bet he is fun at parties.

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[Ferrite]

Sanfran49 wrote:

Simple question – having seen him since the january window was he worth the gamble ?

Only time will tell but I hadn’t realised how poor his goalscoring record is across a career that currently numbers 8 clubs already. Given how much the likes of Wonder Goals had raved about him, I assumed he must have a decent track record but he’s only scored 10 league goals in his career and has only made 34 starts.

[Northumbiron]

His best return was playing for Blackburn in PL2 (the U23s league)….

“Premier League 2:

After arriving on trial in July, Nuttall went on to contribute 14 goals in 15 appearances and gained two assists. It was after ten goals in seven games midway through October for the development squad that Nuttall was promoted into the first team, before dropping back down into the development squad towards the end of January 2018. On 12 May Nuttall was one of seven players nominated for Premier League 2 Player of the Season. Also on this list were Reiss Nelson, Eddie Nketiah, Lukas Nmecha and Harry Wilson. Also, despite his 13 appearances in the Blackburn first team, Nuttall finished as the Premier League 2’s second-top goalscorer with 14 goals, behind Lukas Nmecha’s 15 strikes.”

Nmecha now plays for Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga. He’s played 28 games and scored 10 goals including 2 in the Champions League. Nelson has 2 in 20 for Feyenoord. Nketiah & Wilson we know about.

Not sure what you can read into that, but Nuttall seems to be the one who’s lost his way.

[lesgeo]

If we can’t afford to bring in strikers – perhaps we have to try to rebuild broken ones?

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[Ferrite]

lesgeo wrote:

If we can’t afford to bring in strikers – perhaps we have to try to rebuild broken ones?

Can’t disagree with that, how do we think it’s going so far?

Interesting stuff about his time with the Blackburn youth team, I just hadn’t realised how little track record he was in senior football. A very curious career to this point.

[Deereyme66]

‘Not sure what you can read into that, but Nuttall seems to be the one who’s lost his way.’

Perfect fit for a club that’s lost it’s way?

[cokeovenkid]

Sanfran49 wrote:

Simple question – having seen him since the january window was he worth the gamble ?

Well we got what we expected, takes about 8.5 appearances to score a goal so is never going to be your main striker, your looking at 6 or 7 a season.
Made me laugh on other social media seeing … you’ve made your apologies good on you, now score a Hatrick on Saturday… well that might just take 24 games !!!
If he’s not your main striker is he a good foil ? Does he win the majority of headers , hold the ball up well and battle for everything? If the answer is no then it’s back to the old adage…
You keep doing what your doing, you’ll keep getting what you’re getting.

[Ferrite]

I think he has the potential to be a good Torpey-type foil for a more mobile striker, a bit like we saw glimpses of on Saturday. But from what I saw of him against Hartlepool, he really needs to improve his work-rate, making selfless runs and making more of a nuisance of himself for strikers.

Good luck to him if he really wants to succeed here, I reckon Iron fans will give him another chance.

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[cassidystash]

cokeovenkid wrote:-
“Well we got what we expected, takes about 8.5 appearances to score a goal so is never going to be your main striker, your looking at 6 or 7 a season.”

Would have been easily our top scorer this season with that return!!

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