Nutall

[Lord Kitchener]

Siderite wrote:

Displaying passion is welcome. However, if some of them were racist to Nuttall, then those fans don’t deserve any backing.

IF the home fans were actually involved in shouting racist abuse at him, then I understand why he would show them the middle finger. I’m not however convinced that they did. Kieth said that he had some grovelling to do and would have to apologise. Surely he wouldn’t have said that if racism was in any way involved.

[Siderite]

I wasn’t there, so can’t comment. I was just responding to what BartonIron had suggested. :-)

[lesgeo]

No players scoring goals a-plenty at Coventry who come to mind?

[Pat O’Cake]

Anonymous wrote:

Ah the old adage of being able to give it but not take it. Nuttall didn’t give me the middle finger he gave the lad(s) shouting abuse at him it.

Such cry babies. Violent people can’t get handcuffed, Nuttall can’t give it back after being abused. What a flaky society we live in.

Are you a professional moron or is it just a hobby??? The lad that got cuffed was shoved and verbally abused BEFORE he became aggressive so there’s your giving but not taking it shoved where the sun don’t shine!

[Pat O’Cake]

Lord Kitchener wrote:

Siderite wrote:

Displaying passion is welcome. However, if some of them were racist to Nuttall, then those fans don’t deserve any backing.

IF the home fans were actually involved in shouting racist abuse at him, then I understand why he would show them the middle finger. I’m not however convinced that they did. Kieth said that he had some grovelling to do and would have to apologise. Surely he wouldn’t have said that if racism was in any way involved.

There was no racist abuse that’s a lie

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[Awaywego]

He said she said, but the consensus of opinion of most is there was no racial abuse.

[j charles]

There was no racial abuse towards Nuttall he missed at least three easy chances got called out and didn’t like it, he’s the one with the problem. I’m sick of people calling the bloody racist card at everything that goes on. I am not aware that Nuttal has actually used that excuse. He needs to apologise or leave.

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North Lincolnshire Irons, Awaywego, vader

[lesgeo]

Those having a go make it easier for him to miss than score. It is called psychological pressure.
(Incidentally, the word ‘supporter’ means one who proffers help or support.)
Maybe that pressure increases in direct proportion to the criticism levels. Who’d have thought that to be possible?

I’ve said it before – there’s only one player in my history I’ve insulted – and that was because he visibly wasted his many talents.

But then – as Nuttall is so despised perhaps he missed them all deliberately!
(See. I can get just as daft as others can on this board.)

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mistertonmick

[MK Iron]

You will have to do better than that if you want to be as daft as some on here Lesgeo.

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Just Iron, lesgeo

[Cliff Byrne’s Right Peg]

lesgeo wrote:

Those having a go make it easier for him to miss than score. It is called psychological pressure.
(Incidentally, the word ‘supporter’ means one who proffers help or support.)
Maybe that pressure increases in direct proportion to the criticism levels. Who’d have thought that to be possible?

I’ve said it before – there’s only one player in my history I’ve insulted – and that was because he visibly wasted his many talents.

But then – as Nuttall is so despised perhaps he missed them all deliberately!
(See. I can get just as daft as others can on this board.)

His display yesterday was completely inept, Les. He hardly had supporters on his back when he nearly Cleared the roof of the away end, or when he spent most of the game in the wrong position or unable to hold the ball up- As he has done since January

He got a little bit of stick and responded like a moron. Its one thing watching wage thieves like this week in/week out at the club- it’s another when they give you the middle finger and come back out to goad supporters

Never seen anything like it and never want to see him in the shirt again.

[lesgeo]

Damning with faint praise, this may well be but: I reckon he can be better than Loft.

[Awaywego]

The fans that were called a disgrace are the ones who get behind the team at the start of every game, they don’t single out certain players to attack before kick-off,unlike a lot of posters on here, they don’t let Swanny being chairman as an excuse not to go, if the team shows the desire they will get behind the team, if not or when playing shite they will let them know and I think that’s fair enough.

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[North Lincolnshire Irons]

Nuttall is not fit to wear the Scunthorpe United Shirt and never should again in my opinion! The example he set yesterday to our hard-working younger players was disgusting. He took his shirt off as he was walking into the tunnel and that should be the last time he wears it. Hill brought him here and its Hill who should sort it out. Even if the player apologises now is that enough as he still continued his disgusting reaction after the match when our players came out again for our fans.

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Dan-UTI

[Ironawe]

Nutall has missed many opps prior to some fans giving him stick. The first miss in the first half was probably the worst I have seen for some time (Tyrone O’Neil would’ve buried it). He is way off being a good striker and we need at least two good front players, we have none at the minute

[Northumbiron]

Nuttall has been under pressure for half a season. Our supporters for at least three!

Perhaps we now know why he didn’t feature much at Blackpool.

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cokeovenkid

[cassidystash]

North Lincolnshire Irons wrote:

Nuttall is not fit to wear the Scunthorpe United Shirt and never should again in my opinion!

A potentially difficult situation if he’s contracted for next season. Can we move him on? Where to? Do we pay him to not play as we’ve done with KDT & Perry? Not a great use of resources when you’re on a limited budget is it.

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lesgeo

[Just Iron]

I was just to one side of the group that drew the response from Nuttall. Everyone was groaning at the way he failed to notice two players superbly placed for a pass and tap in. Instead he opted to have a go himself and fluffed it. Given the previous missed opportunities it is understandable that fans would be frustrated. Half a dozen near me told him to switch on and open his eyes or words to that effect. I don’t like to see players pilloried or even harshly criticised but these supporters had paid their money and were entitled to offer their views and express themselves. There was NO racism involved. ( And if you weren’t there Siderite then maybe pulling out the ‘ever so virtuous’ racism speculation should have been left to those who were). What Joe did was totally unprofessional …. and maybe an expression of his own frustration with himself as much as anyone. There should be a fulsome apology and explanation of his failure before he ever plays for us again … but if that happens then fans should forgive, forget and everyone move on.

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[Siderite]

There was a reason I used the word if (which is clearly defined by the dictionary), following on from BI’s comment, JI. Perhaps you should learn to read before piously browbeating others for something they didn’t say. Just a suggestion. ;-)

I stated I wasn’t there precisely because I didn’t want to cast unfair aspersions on fans; I was merely commenting on an accusation made by someone else. But, hey ho, it’s easier to virtue signal about how more fair you are than others to make yourself look like some balanced individual, superior to others, than to actually take comments as they were intended, isn’t it JustSnowflake. :-

Maybe I should include emojis or bold if commenrs in future, if the intellectual heft of this forum is that some don’t know that by saying if I am not stating that there was any racism displayed. :-)

[Siderite]

For the record, the comments made here and elsewhere have made it clear that racism was a very unlikely factor in this incident.

I only commented in response to f row crew’s comment about passion, with no rebuttal of BI’s claim about racism being involved. It should be expected with the internet, I guess, but it still staggers me how some people seem to deliberately miss the point for their own signalling of virtue for how superior they are to others they are interacting with. The point I was making should have been obvious; that passion doesn’t excuse more unsavoury accusations made by BI, assuming that they were true (remember, I had no way of verifying what BI had said). There was no definitive claims made by myself (hence the if), precisely because there was no evidence of racism. However, it would be rash of me to discount it until the story became more clear.

If you want to accuse someone of virtue signalling, JI, I say take a look at yourself in the mirror, for it is you who has tried to take the high ground over others based on behaviour and opinions, not myself, who has not accused fans or anyone of anything (the if was carrying a lot of weight in my original comment). ;-)

Maybe in future I should form definitive opinions based on nothing to prove the ‘balanced’ individuals like JI! :-)

[Siderite]

The only thing I consider myself guilty of is making rash clangers like this:

“There was no definitive claims made by myself ”

Were! X-D

[Just Iron]

Methinks he doth protest too much.

[Siderite]

What are you on about?

BI claimed racism and said such fans aren’t welcome.

f row crew said such fans were just displaying passion with no rebuttal of the racism point.

I said that passion is welcome, but if (!!!) there was racism it doesn’t excuse it.

You then waded in to virtue signal and make undue accusations against my intentions. ;-)

It’s not my fault you’re too thick to understand my point. ;-)

If you had the remotest grasp of what I’d argued you wouldn’t be claiming I was being virtuous in the first place, since I was not making any firm accusation against Iron fans for any racism. But, hey ho, continue virtue signalling about how much more balanced you are and not willing to throw racist accusations around and how I am protesting too much. It just shows that you don’t understand what I am on about. :-)

The only reason I am acting like this is because I am fed up of simpletons on the internet failing to understand points and then acting superior. :-)

[Just Iron]

I get your point. Maybe I’m just fed up of race seeming to be the front and centre trigger in every issue and discussion at present. It even now threatens to dominate this thread. The merest speculative hint sets everyone off. I suspect that a small percentage of vile individuals at the game are racist and would be willing to include it in their abusive repertoire if they thought their would be no consequences. Maybe some did in their response to Joe Nuttall. Not amongst those near me who were on the receiving end of Joe’s gesture though. For me the eagerness to raise the issue has become totally overblown and will, unless contained, prove to be counter productive and divisive across society.

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alcazar

[Siderite]

Then direct your criticism at Bartoniron who made the accusation in the first place! ;-)

My only point was related to f row crew saying that such fans were just displaying passion in response to a racism claim, while not wanting to dismiss it or validate it as a verifiable fact. My point being that if they were racist, without making any claims to the validity, that wouldn’t be a good response to it since racists should be dealt with.

I don’t want to make any accusations against BI or f row crew. I am sure f row crew didn’t mean racists should be ignored, he might have thought it not worth mentioning because he knew racism wasn’t a factor yesterday. Likewise, BI may have misheard something or may have picked up on something others missed. I don’t know. I don’t want to make any kind of firm accusation against them.

I just felt a bit singled out, because I wasn’t the one making the accusations of racism. Like I say, my point was solely to do with the hypothetical, because too many claims or not, racism has no place in football.

Some of the activists may make spurious claims, but it exists as an undercurrent for some. On the other hand, what isn’t acknowledged a lot, is that we are one of the better nations for dealing with it and for racial attitudes. :-) However, this doesn’t mean we should be complacent.

Anyway, I apologise for reacting angrily and being mean. I just didn’t like what I felt were unfair accusations. :-) No hard feelings, eh? :-)

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Just Iron

[f row crew]

Just to be clear Siderite, you are correct. I saw or heard nothing racist towards Joe Nuttall yesterday. Just the Iron fans frustrated by another insipid performance from him and letting him know. His response was out of order. Our more youthful supporters are not everyone’s cup of tea. For me though I have never seen them be racist, only passionate in their support of the iron and prepared to stand up and make life uncomfortable for Swann for what he has done to all of our’s club. No room for racism that’s for sure, but I haven’t seen anything of that nature.

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Siderite, ironking

[Anonymous]

Their idea of support is sometimes rather idiotic. Singing derogatory chants about OUR own team and hurling dogs abuse at OUR own players is no way to support them.

They should concentrate their energy on the opposition players if they need someone to abuse!

NO PLAYER GOES OUT ONTO THE PITCH TO MAKE MISTAKES ON PURPOSE!

[ironking]

Utter shite player as per my post of April 10th.

Deserved everything he got and then after not trying and showing no desire or passion he actually did something to get himself noticed.

So come on Nutall show some of that reaction and aggression on the pitch especially in front of goal.

[Ferrite]

Siderite wrote:

Displaying passion is welcome. However, if some of them were racist to Nuttall, then those fans don’t deserve any backing.

I would have thought that had there been any racist abuse, one of the 700-odd police officers in that corner would have heard it and reacted accordingly.

I have no problem with Nuttall being crap but I’ve not seen a striker who moves so little. Wilson was harrying their defence at every opportunity – partly how he got his goal – whilst Nuttall would barely make a run into the box unless he already had the ball. I thought it was interesting that when Feeney came on, he immediately started pressing the defenders and showing some work rate. Honestly, Torpey moved more than Nuttall.

I didn’t even hear any particularly noticeable criticism/abuse of Nuttall from the terrace until he flicked them the Vs or whatever. I did see him stomp down the tunnel when subbed & rip his shirt off. I seem to remember it took a long time to get his transfer finalised, was that down to our club or him holding out for a better offer? You do wonder if he really wants to be here, heading for the Conference next season.

[Northumbiron]

ironking wrote:

Utter shite player as per my post of April 10th.

So maybe the supporters’ angst would be better directed at at those who brought the utter shite to the SVS (because Nuttall is far from being the only one)

But of course they can’t because they’re not on the pitch. In fact some aren’t even in the building.

Thus the players missing chances, letting in goals or giving away penalties become the Aunt Sallys.

The pressure cooker has been bubbling up for three years or more. Nuttall merely used his finger to flick open the valve.

[Deereyme66]

‘Maybe I’m just fed up of race seeming to be the front and centre trigger in every issue and discussion at present.’

In hindsight, do you think that’s a wee bit more than an exaggeration Just Iron? Gleaning the threads on here over the last few weeks, this is the first time ‘race’ has entered a discussion. I understand where you stand but let’s not distort the picture further eh?

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