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October 17, 2020 at 5:23 pm #195965
Open The SVS? – No problem, I have no intention of ever returning.
I have never once attacked the Chairman on here since his arrival but this is the final straw. He must shoulder the blame for all of this shambles.
No problems whatsoever with emphasising youth but if there is no SPINE then you are doomed to failure.The manager does not know which way is up and a fair number of players should be totally ashamed and should also be given a white feather.
We have a wretched GK who does not improve and a small number of players who think that giving more than 40% is unreasonable.
Credit to Gilliead, Spence, Onariase and the isolated Jarvis. To the rest – I’m disgusted!
How many people on here, before the season, thought that having Rory as Number 1 keeper was acceptable? A few %. But the chairman knew better!
Young midfielders flitting around like headless chickens because there is no Bish, Bara Goodwin or McCann to organise them.
How can the Chairman not have known the need? Trying to get the sort of players in we need on the final Friday is simply not good enough. There have been months available to achieve that.
October 17, 2020 at 5:37 pm #195970I actually paid for the game on ifollow from Canada, great picture quality, however, I had to watch that. I was shocked at the level of organization, woeful decision making, no intensity, how can not control a simple five-yard pass.
Why is Gillead the Captain? He barely looks up from the ground and has no presence on the pitch.
Some decisions to be made Chairman.October 17, 2020 at 5:40 pm #195971I’m always disappointed when we lose.
Today I’m genuinely angry about it. We’ve been shit for 3 years and there have been players/games where we look like we don’t care.
Now it obvious and inarguable, the majority don’t give a shit.
October 17, 2020 at 5:46 pm #195972Seems to me that there is a little did quiet in the ranks finger pointing,player blaming player,our once great little club is being taken to the dogs,MR Chairman either do something Pro active or get gone,we are a shambles and the cod’s will be rubbing their hands,we are an embarrasment
October 17, 2020 at 5:50 pm #195974You are 100% correct lesgeo, and like myself, have given Peter Swann my 100% support all to time he has been Chairmam, but he has to take most of the blame for what has happened to our club, and it is getting worse week by week if this is at all possible, the players are not even putting any effort into their performances.
Non league is a certaity with is manager and staff, we may get a win agains Southend when ever we play them, but who else is as bad as our team, just one lucky win out of nine matches, and now two away trips to follow.
Mr Swann, please get rid of this manager and the so called goalkeeper coach, are request advice when you nominate your next manager, because you do not have a clue.
October 17, 2020 at 5:50 pm #195975With me angry isn’t even close.I decided at the last minute not watch on iplayer after last weeks performance. Supported the iron all my life, sorry cant take any more.
October 17, 2020 at 5:52 pm #195976With me angry isn’t even close.I decided at the last minute not watch on iplayer after last weeks performance. Supported the iron all my life, sorry cant take any more.
October 17, 2020 at 5:54 pm #195977It was only nine goals conceded in the two consecutive home games.
Is this a record?
I recall losing to Wigan at the OSG with 7 conceded, I think. I do not recall us letting in three in either of the surrounding games to beat the glamour of today.
Two let in in either of those games would have equalled the dazzling record set on this glorious footballing occasion.October 17, 2020 at 6:31 pm #19597913 in 3 if you count city
October 17, 2020 at 6:33 pm #195980There are plenty of out of contract decent experienced players out there and I’m afraid if we don’t sign some we are doomed to relegation ,even if that it means to pay some players off to make room and keep inside the budget, it has to be done ,a must goalkeeper,centre half two fullbacks and centre midfielder and a forward who can bully a defence.
October 17, 2020 at 6:37 pm #195981“a forward who can bully a defence.”
We’ve got one but he can’t be a***d!
October 17, 2020 at 7:08 pm #195983Just waiting for UTI99 to come on and remind us that we WERE playing the top of the league team!
October 17, 2020 at 7:55 pm #195993Tom Newey put it perfectly today.
There are people out there who can’t be bothered to do their jobs and no one is calling them out on it.
No one on the pitch with a voice who will say what needs to be said.
Clearly if Cox and Lillis are saying it after the game no one is listening.
Get a keeper, get some full backs and get a leader or we’re dead.
Colclough has gone pay McAtee up as well since he is obviously too good for us.
October 17, 2020 at 8:24 pm #195998Get a keeper, get some full backs and get a leader or we’re dead.
We’ve been saying this on here for weeks now.
If us moronic fans can see it why can’t the powers that be? ‘Effin unbelievable.
October 17, 2020 at 8:26 pm #196000Our GK is a joke, not fit for a pub side.
October 17, 2020 at 8:44 pm #196002Our GK is a joke, not fit for a pub side.
Again, this has been said on here since well before the start of this season.
Some people were defending him saying he would learn. No one is defending him now.
He isn’t learning he’s going backwards, he is obviously not good enough.
Hopefully the chairman will see he’s made a mistake and will rectify it quickly.
October 17, 2020 at 8:46 pm #196003Hopefully the chairman will see he’s made a mistake and will rectify it quickly.
How?
October 17, 2020 at 8:48 pm #196004Look, I’ve been wrong a few times (Mrs CT will say it’s much more than that) but I can’t remember being as spectacularly wrong as I was about our players. In common with most others I had no idea as to the footballing ability of our new signings. What I thought I knew was that we had young footballers keen to forge a career in the game, prove they were up to league standard, even higher than league 2 in some cases. What I have seen is that few of them have that ability and even fewer have the desire. I hope call centre wages are not too far below what they’re earning now, the hours will be longer certainly.
October 17, 2020 at 8:49 pm #196005We can still sign free agents. Don’t know whats out there but there must be something.
October 17, 2020 at 9:35 pm #196006Josh Lillis,junior brown,Calvin andrew
October 17, 2020 at 9:56 pm #196010Lillis has signed for Barrow I checked if he was still free.
Brown yes please.
Calvin Andrew no thanks.
October 17, 2020 at 10:17 pm #196014Andrew is more of a threat than anybody we have.
October 18, 2020 at 1:23 am #196020Just been doing a bit of digging.
Conrad Logan 34yr GK is available on a free transfer. I remember watching him play for Manfield, he’s used to have bright ginger hair. Always used to be pretty decent.
Calum Woods..at tranmere last season, RB played 13 matches last season in lg one and set up 2 goals. 33yr old.
Junior Brown as the obvious LB.
Darren Potter 35yr old CM.
Will Atkinson 32 yr old CM.
Anthony Wordsworth 31 yr old cm. Pick of those 3 you would have thought.Plenty of players out there without a club, no excuse. I wouldn’t mind Conrad Logan, Woods, Junior brown and Wordsworth here.
Only problem is now is that Swann “blinded by his masterplan” signed a shit load of players we’re stuck with which are now eating up the budget.
Old Swannster went for quantity over quality. Why oh why doesn’t he just sit in the background and not get involved…never bloody learns.
October 18, 2020 at 4:00 am #196022To be fair, we are rushing to judge some of these players a bit too harshly.
A few weeks ago, the team was attempting to play football and trying really hard for 90+ minutes. Rather lacking in goal attempts and pretty lightweight but not actually terrible.With youngsters – a couple of defeats is all it takes for some heads to go down. But TBH there is a difference between that and a few throwing in the sponge. Some of these do really need to go. Now.
At this rate, relegation is a stone cold certainty.
A couple of old (preferably fit) heads can transform this lot. A new GK is an absolute must and this has been clear for many a month.Learning from Cox how hard the Chairman tried on deadline day does not impress.
October 18, 2020 at 10:31 am #196030Anonymous
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Topics: 4Like you, Les, I was never truly anti-Swann. I was sceptical of some of his decisions, but ultimately I feared what would happen without him if we booted him out as some fringe voices suggested.
However, I am at the end of my tether with his stewardship. I don’t know what’s best for us from now on, but the calamitous handling of the club over the last few years has reached its zenith. What’s worrying is that Swann says he’s learned from past mistakes. If this is learning, then I wouldn’t want to know what failing to learn is.
Now, I am not someone who will get on board with sketchy claims of Swann choosing the team and formations, as some have suggested. I see no reason to doubt that Cox has the call on that. However, it is beyond doubt that Swann has a lot of say in our transfer policies, which is more than what I am comfortable with, especially as we have gone for a high risk strategy of purely being a young, barely above U23, squad. Even taking what I believe to be a measured response I see the running of the club as alarming. These have been issues highlighted by fans for years, yet Swann says he’s learned from mistakes. He clearly hasn’t learned the most grievous lessons though.
I don’t expect a chairman not to have a say in who comes into the club. Going by the podcasts Wharton wanted to ensure the players we brought in fitted his values, which is fine, so long as the players brought in are the result of those knowledgeable enough about football. The scouts and manager. Right now it seems that the person who spearheads this is the board, with the managerial staff being no more than advisors. This is unhealthy and leads to the weird Dom Vose type signings and an unbalanced squad who the manager struggles to work with, because they’re not necessarily his players, and a squad bereft of quality because the chairman is no more than a football fan, not an outright expert on the intricacies of the game.
A lot of this is what others have said countless times before, and I don’t want to claim it as an original thought, but I thought it needed saying to demonstrate my point.
There are so many issues, but it all boils down to an inexperienced, naïve squad, bereft of leadership and confidence under the managerial experience of a rookie. Some of the players are not good enough, some seemingly aren’t trying and others are just shot of confidence after three consecutive hammerings in league and cup. It will take a miracle worker to turn this around, and I fear Cox cannot be that man. This is not a dig at him, but I worry given his own inexperience as manager. A Warnock figure may have a chance, they have been around the block and seen what works and what doesn’t, but Cox is learning as much as the squad and when you have the entire playing and coaching staff learning their trade mistakes will be plentiful. There is absolutely no-one who can offer something where they can learn from. Everyone is making errors because they don’t know any better, and there is no-one who can address it. the same mistakes will be made again and again and when failure builds up among the inexperienced there is less of a chance that they will have that resolve to push through based on previous times where they have succeeded.
Another worrying thing is that Cox’s own question marks are small fry. Ordinarily I would be questioning why a manager shoehorns players into formations which suit his own view, not the tools at hand, because Gillead is not a right back and how anyone can think Hippolyte is one of the best available players, when his performances have been poor and yesterday put in one of the worst individual performances I have ever seen from an Iron player, while Eisa sits on the bench is beyond me. However, even if he played what I consider to be our strongest squad in a suiting formation I don’t think it would be much better.
This is not primarily the manager’s fault, and I don’t want to hear apologetic arguments about how this is the fans’ fault. Yes, there have been negative moaning by many at times, but we have no control. If the chairman is basing his opinion on the Iron Bru, Facebook or Twitter I am very concerned about his lack of conviction. Those who complain about fans moaning don’t seem to place any blame at Swann’s door for acting upon them, which shows how shallow this argument is. We aren’t the ones who decided we needed no experience whatsoever, barring a forever crocked right back and van Veen, who are both shy of 30. There was a time when some tried to make out the poor performances were because of audible moaning and groaning inside the stadium. Well, that argument has been shot to bits, hasn’t it? No fans in and they play worse. Maybe the players were disheartened by the noise emanating from the cardboard cut-outs making whoosh noises in the wind yesterday, I don’t know, but these performances are not down to fan reactions.
The only room for optimism is that we bring in some experienced heads on a free. However, I feel it is too little, too late. We have a bloated squad from Swann’s masterplan in times when economic hardship is amplified. This panic could have been easily avoided if Swann had engaged his brain far earlier. Like all recent seasons we’re left scrambling late on to rectify Swann’s previous errors of judgement. It doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence that he has learned anything, like he said he had before the season.
Oh well, we’ll pull through. This club has more history than one man. We’ll still be here when Swann has gone. Hopefully the club will be too.
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October 18, 2020 at 10:38 am #196031Well argued, sir!
October 18, 2020 at 10:53 am #196032“Plenty of players out there without a club, no excuse. I wouldn’t mind Conrad Logan, Woods, Junior brown and Wordsworth here.”
WG has highlighted what’s needed, no surprises as it’s been obvious to fans for some time and his suggestions might very well be the best available. Free agents are now our only option until January, my concern is why,at this point in the season, are these players still without a club. We could be looking at the bottom of a very deep barrel.
October 18, 2020 at 11:29 am #196035When I saw Conrad Logan play for mansfield last im pretty sure he was the wrong side of 20 stone
October 18, 2020 at 11:34 am #196036Can anyone on here remember when fans wernt happy with Alexander as manager, and swanny was still the problem then,some posters said be careful what you wish for.Now Swannys biggest mistake was letting Alexander and Paddy go maybe one but not both, since then most posters have been happy with is managerial appointments well at least for a couple of weeks anyway.
October 18, 2020 at 12:51 pm #196046When I saw Conrad Logan play for mansfield last im pretty sure he was the wrong side of 20 stone
Neville Southall looked a dive away from a certain heart attack for years in the prem and he was pretty decent.
Cassidy, there’s a lot of experienced players out of contract..more than you’d probably have thought if you checked. There are some pretty decent player. The thing is, now budgets are cut, plenty of teams are having to go now with smaller squads and more younger players to fill their squads up, which means a lot of these players are without a club.
Hardly idea as they’ll take 3 weeks to a month to get their fitness but as we’ve said already, they’re our only option now.
Wordsworth in particular is just what we need, not blessed with great pace from midfield but he’s played plenty of games and he’s pretty classy for this level…certainly miles better than anybody we have “which admittedly isn’t saying a lot” but you would have thought he’d be a good signing.
Ben Alnick 33 yr old gk, previously at Bolton is available, as is Mark Howard 34yr old gk..also Paul Jones 34yr old gk previously at Sheff Wednesday.
As I said, there are players out there.
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