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[Deereyme66]

Bucksiron wrote:

Right on cue, out comes Deerey. Obviously, all Tories are crooks.

Yet, apparently, it’s perfectly OK to cheat the benefits system. Funnily enough, I know a lot of working people who would disagree very strongly with that.

Lol, except I made neither claim. Not what I said was it. Read back again my friend.

[Siderite]

Bucksiron wrote:

Exactly, Siderite, because it was linked with royalty while anyone linked with the royalty isn’t going to say anything in response. But of course that’s fine because there’s nothing wrong with pillorying an 83 year-old woman if she’s connected with the Royal Family (and no, I’m not suggesting you said or implied that yourself). In fact, according to the likes of Heath the fact she’s had such a life and is now so old just means she should know better.

And, Siderite, what part of my last comment about having an agenda do you fail to understand???? It had nothing whatever to do with having an agenda and still has nothing to do with having an agenda. As I said earlier, the problem is that given Fulani’s very obvious agenda, what she’s actually done is provide perfect ammunition — and a lot of it — for the far right to exploit.

But, hey, at least this provides the usual suspects with an excuse to reel out the same old hackneyed expressions about racist and sneering Tories. The desperately sad thing is that fighting racism appears to be well down the list of what really matters, not forgetting the reason this event was happening in the first place, which was to fight domestic abuse.

She is 83 and of sound mind, so can handle criticism.

And as I said, the far right would find issue no matter what regarding racism claims and how they are handled. The only answer they will be happy with is to shut up about it. Fulani or anyone would always be at fault for raising an issue, so I don’t think this would raise anty more ammunition than any other response. The far right would cause an issue regardless

[Deereyme66]

‘The desperately sad thing is that fighting racism appears to be well down the list of what really matters’

Well no, it’s at the heart of it Bucks, regardless of any nailing flag to masts. It just is.

[Deereyme66]

You’re not allowed to question how you’re spoken to apparently. The online racists and bigots will hound you out of work:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63925477

Fulani brought this on herself some will say. Here lieth the problem.

[Siderite]

Also, racists would have hounded her regardless of what she did.

[Bucksiron]

Deerey, I’m very aware it’s not what you said and I don’t need to read it again to know that, “my friend”. But only a fool would ignore the underlying sentiment behind such a comment. It’s always the same with left wing, self-righteous “I’m a better person than you are” bigots. So, let me tell you very clearly in seven simple words: you are not better, morally or otherwise.

Siderite: “She is 83 and of sound mind, so can handle criticism.”

Hussey might have been of sound mind, but her life will almost certainly have been shattered by this; and no doubt a number of people on here will be quite happy about that given her background.

As for Fulani being hounded by racists regardless, I completely agree, and that is appalling. The saddest thing is that here was the perfect opportunity for Fulani to take a stance against these racists in a way that would have left them completely isolated. Instead, she’s just provided them with a great deal of ammunition; and whether you or anyone else agrees that this should be the case, the fact remains that it is the case.

As Deerey says, some — in fact, many, including at least some black people — will say that Fulani brought this on herself. Indeed, here doth lieth the problem because that is exactly what people are saying; and, whether you or I agree with them or not, given what we now know about Fulani it’s very difficult to argue against such a point.

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If Bucksiron was s policeman

[Deereyme66]

Lol, which copper? That said, love that Electronic track. One of those that seems so effortless but is really a songwriting and production masterpiece

[Siderite]

Hussey’s life being shattered would apply if she was 23, 53 or 83. Age has nothing to do with it.

[Deereyme66]

‘So, let me tell you very clearly in seven simple words: you are not better, morally or otherwise. ‘

Lol, thanks! I thought this was about Hussey and Fulani? Appears I’m wrong again! Doh!

[Northumbiron]

Bit of an irony a confirmed Tory accusing those to the left of thinking they’re morally superior!

The man who says you shouldn’t make generalisations makes a sweeping one!

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[Deereyme66]

I like being told in 7 simple words. Usually it’s 2 rude ones!

[Iron-awe]

Buck’s being patronising, shock horror probe, who would have thought. 😲

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TwoWrights

[Siderite]

There is a tendency for moral righteousness on the left. However, I don’t know who said they were morally superior to Bucks out of those mentioned in his last post. It seems to be a sweeping generalisation being applied to some on here based on little. And, as NI says, it’s ironic given how he complains how others do this about Tories.

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I am

[Northumbiron]

Sidey, there’s no more a tendency for moral righteousness on the left than there is on the right.

Hell, the very term “conservative” is indicative of a party that looks to uphold traditional moral values.

Likewise the centrist parties will argue that they hold the moral high ground as their values encompass those of both right and left.

There are no points to be gained by any side over this issue.

Fairness perhaps is another matter.

[Deereyme66]

‘you are not better, morally or otherwise.’

Probably right, but as I take a break from writing an appeal update, I’m reminded of this remark as some of the quotes from people running food banks, family support groups, community grocers, youth groups and other community groups has brought a tear to my eye. These are people far better than I, ‘morally or otherwise’. Amazing resilience and kindness they have in the face of poverty brought on by this horrendous government. Really, the government don’t deserve them. Happy for them to mop up the mess and mend what they should be doing while they do dodgy deals and appear on celebrity TV shows. Morally redundant.

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