No surprises

[64]

(ps is it racist to lead an organisation that seeks to support black women who are victims of domestic violence?)’NO! I find those looking for it to be usually are mind you

[Just Iron]

I just came back this week from an amicable weekend in London with my adopted Vietnamese daughter and her London born but Bangladeshi origin partner .. and lovely little mixed race granddaughter Freya. My Israeli Jewish son in law texted me to ask how we’d got on. We had to be back so that my wife could do her voluntary ESL work with refugees and asylum seekers before going on to take our Palestinian friend … who came to the UK from Gaza to escape Hamas .. to look at a new flat. So a couple of questions.
First to you Gurney. What exactly are you suggesting I’ve been ‘doing all my life?’ Is it pre-judging others and stereotyping them because of a narrow and bigoted attitude and a rigid, judgmental attitude. Then … here’s the mirror. Take a good look at the face of a person who operates out of a rigid and narrow ideology whilst squeezing all difference into tight categories to suit his dogma. And all in the name of tolerance.
And one to you 64. Why not have another go at answering the question I asked rather than inferring that the very asking of the question implies racism. No it doesn’t …. and I’m fully prepared to give a respectful and reasoned explanation as to why if you are interested. I suspect that you may not be.
And finally to Sidey. Thanks for at least calling out, however gently, yet another of Gurney’s cheap shots.

[Siderite]

No worries. I admit I find it hard to maybe say anything stronger because I am not the target. I don’t want to take it upon myself to be the forum policeman and create more problems than I probably already do. I did feel the need to say something, especially since I liked Gurny’s post. I wanted to make it clear that I was liking it for the rest of the post which I think raises good points, so you didn’t think I was liking that particular element of the post.

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[64]

These racist idea will not go away with the deaths of racists,they have kids and grandkids,most people emulate their parents

[Deereyme66]

In that case Liz Truss’s dad must be faking his Professorship and political leanings.

[billpuntonsghost]

I spent the weekend with my white wife,my white daughter and white grand daughter,we went to the match and met up with two white couples and another white friend whos husband has just had a heart attack. My sister was with us and a friend who has Asian parents came to speak to us as he hasn’t seen us for a couple of years ( he was delighted to see us all and we were to see him.)
I didn’t feel guilty to be in a majority white environment,maybe I should have been?
Obviously JI can puff his chest out and show his cosmopolitan and obviously non-racist background,but me ,I feel vulnerable to a classed as racist for not being diverse enough. Am I overthinking things?

[64]

Deereyme66 wrote:

In that case Liz Truss’s dad must be faking his Professorship and political leanings.

didn’t she become quite the proper little Liberal girl?

[Siderite]

I don’t think JI was puffing his chest in some attempt to show how superior he is. He was responding to Gurny’s claims about how he’d act with people who aren’t white.

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[Deereyme66]

64 wrote:

Deereyme66 wrote:

In that case Liz Truss’s dad must be faking his Professorship and political leanings.

didn’t she become quite the proper little Liberal girl?

Before going full on raving right winger

[Deereyme66]

Siderite wrote:

I don’t think JI was puffing his chest in some attempt to show how superior he is. He was responding to Gurny’s claims about how he’d act with people who aren’t white.

Possibly some lingering conspiracy theory about JI being les or ‘one of the jonnies’. Just a hunch.

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Just Iron

[64]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/ngozi-fulani-faces-online-abuse-after-royal-race-row/ar-AA14VOmU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=512631b72c7a43d8807767892933b1a5#comments
read the comments,we’re an awful country

[billpuntonsghost]

Heaven forbid me giving the impression that JI was attempting to show how superior he is.

[Siderite]

Heaven forbid me saying I don’t think he was doing that.

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[Bucksiron]

While what happened was racist, Fulani doesn’t comes out of it well at all. It’s a great pity because she could have used it to educate people and reduce racism, but instead she’s used it to push her own agenda and polarised people’s views in the process, which is the last thing that’s needed.

Just as people are asking whether Hussey would have pushed Fulani about where she came from had Fulani been white, it’s just as reasonable to ask whether Fulani would have raised the complaint had Hussey been a working class woman. It’s also perfectly reasonable to question how Fulani’s been able to give such a detailed account of what Hussey supposedly said, especially as I understand she claimed everything “was a blur”; and, of course, we only have Fulani’s version of events.

As I said before, context is everything. My understanding is that Hussey has asked to meet Fulani to apologise, which I hope is the case; and, if so, I also hope that Fulani has it in her to accept this was an 83 year-old woman who most likely had no idea that what she was doing and saying was racist. For all that Hussey was at fault for doing and saying what she did, so too was Fulani for blatantly using it to push an agenda, which smacks of political opportunism.

Finally, Siderite, if I’m referring to any of your comments I do my best to say so. Otherwise I’m just making a general point — you do take things very personally when they’re not aimed at you at all.

[Siderite]

That’s usually because you usually cite my views when going into dismissals of any opinion against yours.

In all honesty, I don’t get overly bothered by it. I just like to defend myself, perhaps sometimes overly so, which may come across as it being more bothersome than it is. I have more than enough stresses in my life. No point adding more.

[Deereyme66]

Your last post was very unbalanced IMO Bucks. You appear to have gone to town on criticism of Fulani. For every acknowledgement that Hussey was in the wrong, there’s two more wrongs from Fulani. As a PR bod, I trust you read everything at least once before you’re about to post? After all, you only get one shot with the message don’t you? The message in your post is loud and clear: Hussey is morally superior.

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[Heath]

Are we supposed to believe that “a key and trusted figure in the British royal household for decades”, with over 60 years of service, loaded with awards, a member of the Waldegrave family, presumably well educated and travelled “had no idea that what she was doing and saying was racist”?

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Iron-awe

[Heath]

And even if you are right about Fullani having an agenda, is it a crime for a black person to have an agenda?

I’m sick of Tories and their damaging agendas!

[Iron-awe]

You could say everyone who posts on this board has an agenda but some have a more balanced one then others.

[64]

“While what happened was racist,”then “BUT!”
this need to excuse racism on behalf of the establishment and other right wing racists is inherent in most Tories I come across

[Bucksiron]

To coin a popular phrase, Heath, where have I said that having an agenda is a problem? I haven’t and it isn’t, nor was I suggesting or implying otherwise. As for Hussey not knowing she was being racist, of course, how silly of me. Given all that experience to which you refer I’m sure she must have thought to herself “I’ll make use of all of this great experience that I have, go up to that black woman and racially abuse her in the middle of this high profile event at Buckingham palace. After all, what could possibly go wrong.”

Deerey, of course you think my comment was unbalanced, I wouldn’t expect you or any of your mates on here to think anything else. Fulani’s agenda fits your agenda just as it fits all those on the left, but I bet anything that if a white, 83 year-old working class woman had done and said exactly the same as Hussey we would never have heard anything about it.

This has absolutely nothing whatever to do with ‘moral superiority’, which is as ridiculous as your stereotypical view of PR is ignorant. Whether you’re prepared to admit it or not the simple truth is that Fulani is a left-wing activist who could have used what happened to make a valid point and educate. Instead, she chose to turn this into a highly politicised black versus white battle, which has very successfully polarised people’s views and provided perfect ammunition for those on the far right to push their racist agenda. Wow, what a victory.

IA, no prizes for guessing it’s the usual suspects who will have the more ‘balanced’ agendas, which is ironic to say the least; and, Fans, why would anyone be remotely surprised that the majority of Tories you come across are perfectly happy to excuse racism to suit their own purposes. Not that either of you are remotely biased, of course, so this must perfectly reflect the real world.

[Siderite]

One reason we wouldn’t hear about it if Hussey was a working class woman from the street is because she would be less likely to be in a position of authority or note. It’s more newsworthy because it’s linked with the royalty. Someone less of note making similar comments in the pub isn’t. However, such people do complain in less newsworthy contexts.

As for ‘agendas’. Everyone has their biases, but you seemingly like to point out agendas among others in a dismissive way when you have an agenda yourself.

I do agree that education on why it’s racist would be a good response, but racists would use anything as ammunition. Nothing is a legitimate response to racism for them, so they’d use it as ammunition no matter what.

[Deereyme66]

‘but I bet anything that if a white, 83 year-old working class woman had done and said exactly the same as Hussey we would never have heard anything about it.’

Lol, you would, I’d have called her a bigot!

Love the way you stormed back in to the saloon taking a pop at nearly all your detractors. Think you managed most of them! All good sport.

[Deereyme66]

‘However, such people do complain in less newsworthy contexts.’

Yes Siderite, though the press deemed it fit to chastise Gordon Brown and hold him up as an example of ‘out of touch Labour’. It worked. The far left fell for it too while they sat in the pub calling each other comrade.

[64]

If Hussey was a working class woman she wouldn’t be freeloading at such events,as working class women don’t get invited to freeload on Caviar too regularly.Yhey have to put up with being sneered at for watching sky tv or having a mobile phone if unemployed.The real freeloaders re protected by Tories as something to look up to

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TwoWrights

[Deereyme66]

Some big criminals in that Party and supporting it aswell. Bigger than the demonised ‘benefits cheats’.

[Bucksiron]

Exactly, Siderite, because it was linked with royalty while anyone linked with the royalty isn’t going to say anything in response. But of course that’s fine because there’s nothing wrong with pillorying an 83 year-old woman if she’s connected with the Royal Family (and no, I’m not suggesting you said or implied that yourself). In fact, according to the likes of Heath the fact she’s had such a life and is now so old just means she should know better.

And, Siderite, what part of my last comment about having an agenda do you fail to understand???? It had nothing whatever to do with having an agenda and still has nothing to do with having an agenda. As I said earlier, the problem is that given Fulani’s very obvious agenda, what she’s actually done is provide perfect ammunition — and a lot of it — for the far right to exploit.

But, hey, at least this provides the usual suspects with an excuse to reel out the same old hackneyed expressions about racist and sneering Tories. The desperately sad thing is that fighting racism appears to be well down the list of what really matters, not forgetting the reason this event was happening in the first place, which was to fight domestic abuse.

[Bucksiron]

Right on cue, out comes Deerey. Obviously, all Tories are crooks.

Yet, apparently, it’s perfectly OK to cheat the benefits system. Funnily enough, I know a lot of working people who would disagree very strongly with that.

[64]

How righteous, 83 year old woaman ,blah blah blah
Being a usual suspect or agenda driven doesn’t make me wrong, you are .
Hussey wasn’t always 83,her attitude has been there for 83 years,she’s a part of the machine politicians prop up with their flag waving ,people buying into it are just suckers

[Heath]

I couldn’t give a stuff whether she’s 83 or 583. She was at the event with the approval of the royal family. If she’s too old or stupid to be their representative she shouldn’t have been there.

They have relieved her of her duties and apologised, yet you still want to blame somebody else.

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