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October 6, 2024 at 7:21 pm #291705
The new signings that have been made this season are simply not good enough and our side looks much weakened from last season. We have Rowley,Fishburn and Brogan who in my opinion are simply not good enough to slot into the first team squad if needed. Also Clinton, who admittedly we have not seen much of due to injury, but has shown nothing yet to impress. Who scouted and recommended these players. I also feel Nicholson has not improved the defence, was he brought in just because of his long throw. We definitely look to be a striker short and a strong tackling midfielder who can boss the centre. The worry is whoever signed the new players, are they capable of making the right signings in the future if the current ones are anything to go by.
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October 6, 2024 at 7:27 pm #291706Nice to see you back NLI haven’t heard much from you lately hope all’s being well with you.
October 6, 2024 at 7:34 pm #291708That would be Lee Turnbull our head of recruitment. Hasn’t unearthed any decent players in the best part of a decade and seems to be stealing a salary at this point.
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October 6, 2024 at 11:03 pm #291715Ah, the old ‘wage thief’ label rears it’s head again. Pretty sure in his role of Head of Football Operations / Chief Operating Officer covers a wee bit more than recruitment. Saying he’s stealing a salary when you have little idea of all the other duties he has is cheap IMO. You seem intent on knocking, 414. It’s like the club is in turmoil, when it really isn’t.
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October 7, 2024 at 3:52 am #291716I cant recall the last signing that did impress .. the Scottish lad Smith on loan did well once JD finally played him other than that nowt to write home about.
No doubting LT love and dedication for the club and im sure he does many other jobs as part of his position title alas when it comes to signings via him or his contacts within the game they have been a mix of bang average and woeful in some cases.
Its obvious what is needed .. a battling rough midfield general , winger and more so and quicker a striker.
October 7, 2024 at 9:03 am #291718Thanks Awaywego everything’s fine now after a few sad months. Thankyou for asking. Just wish the football was more enjoyable at present, but I don’t think it will improve until Andy Butler abandons this defensive line-up. I think the form of many of our players has dropped because of it.
October 7, 2024 at 11:07 am #291721In my opinion after the first six games when we were 6 points clear Nicholson was one of the standout performers. We were winning matches and not conceding goals, then Evans enters the team and we have two left sided centre half’s messing up the balance of the side and we started to struggle.
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October 7, 2024 at 5:09 pm #291734That’s certainly arguable BFB.
October 7, 2024 at 6:12 pm #291740It doesn’t excuse his sudden inability to pass the ball well though. Or others for that matter.
October 8, 2024 at 2:30 pm #291762Totally agree BarnardFoxtonBarker about Nicholson. Watching him for the first games I thought he is going to be a good signing but he now looks ineffective and his form has dropped. I think the cause of this is down to Butler insisting on playing with three centre-backs which are not needed. He also insists on playing Clunan in a defensive mid-field role just in front of the defenders. THATS SIX IN DEFENCE. This has also weakened our midfield which is virtually non-existent. I think Scales form has dropped too due to this defensive set-up. Now teams have figured out our system it is so easy for them to attack us and then to sit back as our three centre-backs insist on playing ring a roses with the ball backwards and forwards. This has now got so frustrating to watch and now the system is an embarrassment. The only way this system would work is if we had two natural wing-backs with pace to carry the ball forward and cross it into the box. You can’t sho-horn players into what you want them to be. We lost Ogle the only player who could carry that attacking role. Andy Butler needs a serious re-think as in my opinion the form of many of our players has dropped due to his defensive formation. How can we attack well with a majority of defenders on the pitch.
Many teams also come and play just one striker up top. So why AB do we need five at the back?
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October 8, 2024 at 4:36 pm #291763So the players we signed with our own money, that we can actually afford, might not be as good as the ones for whom a previous owner “paid” massively over the odds for? Well, that’s a big surprise.
Grow up, get behind the team, have a look at the league table, and support the club that we so nearly lost.
October 8, 2024 at 6:30 pm #291772So the players we signed with our own money, that we can actually afford, might not be as good as the ones for whom a previous owner “paid” massively over the odds for? Well, that’s a big surprise.
Grow up, get behind the team, have a look at the league table, and support the club that we so nearly lost.
Agreed, however, it doesn’t stop the manager playing a system to get the best out of the players at his disposal. In my opinion, the current league position is simply papering over the cracks and I suspect we won’t remain top for much longer without a rethink.
In addition, the fact we nearly lost our club shouldn’t be used as an excuse to accept mediocrity.
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October 8, 2024 at 7:18 pm #291774And just goes to show how cheap really is when we took the cheap option with Butler if Flyde can afford Kevin Philips as manager.
For sure he’d have applied if it had been opened up to everyone.
Ps. haven’t heard anyone saying there not going to get behind the team, 4000+ turning up at home 1300 at the last 2 away games shame the team don’t get behind the fans we’d piss the league if it was down to the support and I don’t mean just numerical.1 user thanked author for this post.
October 8, 2024 at 10:02 pm #291785Do you know how much they’re paying Philips? And how do you know he would have applied for the Iron job? Not convinced he would have been ‘the man’ any more than Butler tbh.
October 9, 2024 at 3:01 am #291789So the players we signed with our own money, that we can actually afford, might not be as good as the ones for whom a previous owner “paid” massively over the odds for? Well, that’s a big surprise.
Grow up, get behind the team, have a look at the league table, and support the club that we so nearly lost.
Agreed, however, it doesn’t stop the manager playing a system to get the best out of the players at his disposal. In my opinion, the current league position is simply papering over the cracks and I suspect we won’t remain top for much longer without a rethink.
In addition, the fact we nearly lost our club shouldn’t be used as an excuse to accept mediocrity.
Hitting the nail on the head there Ironfan.
October 9, 2024 at 6:17 am #291791On the back of 1100 crowds I’d say not to much, and he had just been sacked a week before from Hartlepool, and unlike Butler he was a forward imagine the exact opposite 6 forwards in the starting lineup every week.
If only.October 9, 2024 at 8:52 am #291794Required: Oven-ready midfield boss.
Physically tough, mentally strong, forward thinking, game smart.Required: Oven-ready fox in the box striker.
Instinctive finisher, smart positionally.1 user thanked author for this post.
October 9, 2024 at 9:13 am #291796Are we an EFL club already?
October 9, 2024 at 10:40 am #291797Agreed, however, it doesn’t stop the manager playing a system to get the best out of the players at his disposal. In my opinion, the current league position is simply papering over the cracks and I suspect we won’t remain top for much longer without a rethink.
In addition, the fact we nearly lost our club shouldn’t be used as an excuse to accept mediocrity.
I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with the first part of that but that’s not the point I was making.
The second part, about an “excuse to accept mediocrity” sounds dangerously close to when people demand that a club “shows some ambition” which always means spending more money.
October 9, 2024 at 10:56 am #291799Does sound a little like ‘No ambition Board!’ but I think it’s a reasonable point Ironfan makes.
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October 9, 2024 at 2:45 pm #291807Required:
Oven-ready midfield boss.Physically tough, mentally strong, forward thinking, game smart.
Required:
Oven-ready fox in the box striker.Instinctive finisher, smart positionally.
Any suggestions?
October 9, 2024 at 3:57 pm #291810Get Carlton fit?
What is the problem with the lad?1 user thanked author for this post.
October 9, 2024 at 4:28 pm #291813If we are going to play (at least) 3 centre backs and play with any kind of attacking intent what we need is 2 wing backs.
They are fundamental to the system and much as I like Denton and Barrows they are defensively minded and competent full backs. Defending most of the game with an occasional forage forward is fine if you are playing a back 4 but no use whatsoever in a back 5.
Denton is probably the best defensive full back at the club but has not got the engine or the skill set to be a wing back. Barrows has more energy but his final ball is not much better than his predecessor mullet man.
Pointed this out on here as soon as Butlers preferred (only) formation became apparent in the pre season friendlies.
In the very brief glimpses of Kelly that we have seen he looks to have a bit more to offer going forward so if Butler insists on the formation I would like to see him given a go on the left. On the right I would give Scales a run at wing back. Shrimpton or Brogan could take his midfield slot. You can always bring Denton and/or Barrows on to see a game out.
I didn’t like Roberts playing 10 but credit to him he shows signs of getting to grips with the position. We have the players at the club to win this league but the ones that were brought in to the club pre Butler were recruited with some variant of 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 in mind.
Other than Nicholson Butlers signings don’t seem suited to his formation either or they would be playing.
Not calling for Butlers head here but if he does not change his formation to suit the players he has or change his players to suit his formation then things will not go well for him.
While I’m at it substitutions in professional football should only be made to replace an injured player or to change a game in some way. Giving the lads some game time is for Sunday league – unless you have a 3 goal lead.
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