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    Didn’t he do the darts night? I heard the other directors are putting money and keep funding whilst Elliott plays at being the commercial guy.

    We have an employee for that, his name is Glyn Sparks.

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    Didn’t he do the darts night?

    I heard the other directors are putting money and keep funding whilst Elliott plays at being the commercial guy.

    Our very own Jim Bowen.

    Come and have a look at what we could have won?

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    Didn’t he do the darts night? I heard the other directors are putting money and keep funding whilst Elliott plays at being the commercial guy.

    We have an employee for that, his name is Glyn Sparks.

    See Sparks… think Lisa… Doh!

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    Despite at one point openly backing Hilton (and Herbert) Mr Elliot has done very well to slip into the position he finds himself … a role in the BovD via back door or front with or without chucking in any personal funds hes areal asset as the real directors do need some one to make the tea, choose biscuits and hoover up at meetings…

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    This might be unpopular, but if he’s providing non-financial support that’s much appreciated by Michelle, maybe cut him some slack? I certainly think he made some big mistakes during the Hilton nightmare but being a good Director isn’t just about the cash you inject in to the organisation.

    I’ll duck now…

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    This might be unpopular, but if he’s providing non-financial support that’s much appreciated by Michelle, maybe cut him some slack? I certainly think he made some big mistakes during the Hilton nightmare but being a good Director isn’t just about the cash you inject in to the organisation.

    I’ll duck now…

    Bang on, Deerey. Great to see someone come at this a bit differently. I have no idea how much of the above is warranted and how much is speculation. He certainly wasn’t the only one trying to get his bearings during the nightmare we have gone through. He was just one of the most prominent. Maybe time ..as you say ..’to cut some slack.’

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    Or maybe not, I don’t know? I’m not his greatest fan by any means, just giving an honest opinion. If others don’t concur I fully appreciate it.

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    He certainly wasn’t the only one trying to get his bearings during the nightmare we have gone through.

    That’s a bit of a nonsense. He wasn’t trying to get his bearings at all. He knew exactly where he was / wanted to be.

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    If he didn’t see through WHAM… then he’s not a good judge of character.
    All the information was searchable on the internet for those who could be bothered too.

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    If he didn’t see through WHAM… then he’s not a good judge of character.

    Disregard the Hilton stuff in and of itself, it’s just part of a bigger picture: Ego.

    Elliott’s MO has always been to stand next to power, next to money, next to kudos, next to attention… whoever it is… as he’s smart enough to know standing in that spot make others assume he is powerful, monied and important himself.

    Anyone else remember the arse-clenching cringe of him getting himself onto the team sheet of the Wembley 1999 side which re-formed for a charity match? One of the lowest moments at GP, imho.

    Wasn’t he also a Swann supporter when it suited?

    Think back to the ‘Elliott / Sharpe’ thing 18 months or so ago. It was Sharpe with the actual money!

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    Point being, ultimately, that his name was not included in the original publication of the article by The Athletic.

    As it wasn’t included, you could reasonably assume that when Michelle was talking to the reporter she did not mention Elliott as part of the list of people who were essential in her takeover – and that she either didn’t mention him deliberately, or didn’t even think of him at all as his input was so inconsequential.

    So, you could also reasonably assume that the addition of Elliott’s name several hours after publication was down to a complaint from him.

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    I certainly don’t disagree with any of the above criticisms and am fully aware of past indiscretions. Though I’d be more interested in hearing Michelle’s opinion of him and why she wants him on the Board, because it appears she does. There are many people made mistakes during the Swann and Hilton eras. Just looking at it from a ‘unity’ perspective and backing the owner, parking the recriminations and moving forward. Some want Elliot gone and are quite clear about that. I’m saying if Michelle wants him around, that’s good enough for me. Anyhow, just a response to IFAs post really, and numerous criticisms past and present, which I appreciate are totally valid.

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    That’s a very balanced and completely fair view.

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    After Hilton, it’s good to have some scepticism about the intentions of those involved. With Elliott, he made a fool of himself with Hilton, including making grandiose claims about how he knew Hilton had the money when he obviously hadn’t. Fans trusted him, so went along with it, and he used this to dismiss and demean those who had questions. I can forgive the majority of fans for hoping that the owner had good intentions, but Elliott went a step beyond. At best it creates doubt in his judgement and his actions were bound to create suspicions that he is out for himself and just interested in boosting his own prestige. He should have known better. There’s no point being so vitriolic about it, but I have less trust in his judgement now.

    As it is, he is just a bit part of the board and I hope and doubt Michelle is being swayed by him, trusts her own judgement and gives equal thought to input from Roj, Sharp, Akther et al.

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    If he didn’t see through WHAM… then he’s not a good judge of character.

    Disregard the Hilton stuff in and of itself, it’s just part of a bigger picture: Ego.

    Elliott’s MO has always been to stand next to power, next to money, next to kudos, next to attention… whoever it is… as he’s smart enough to know standing in that spot make others assume he is powerful, monied and important himself.

    Anyone else remember the arse-clenching cringe of him getting himself onto the team sheet of the Wembley 1999 side which re-formed for a charity match? One of the lowest moments at GP, imho.

    Wasn’t he also a Swann supporter when it suited?

    Think back to the ‘Elliott / Sharpe’ thing 18 months or so ago. It was Sharpe with the actual money!

    He also turned up at Sligo Rovers, along with a well-known Scunny fan, when they won the League of Ireland. Ian Baraclough was the manager and SE involved in local VW Dealership Colooney’s. That partnership didn’t last long.

    He’s used his own platform to criticise supporters sceptical of the last two Chairmen.

    So there we are.

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    There’s no point being so vitriolic about it, but I have less trust in his judgement now.

    I’m certainly not being vitriolic, just calling it exactly as I see it as I believe that’s what it merits.

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    That wasn’t aimed at anyone. It wasn’t meant to be a critique of anyone on here. The debate has been measured.

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    As it is, he is just a bit part of the board and I hope and doubt Michelle is being swayed by him, trusts her own judgement and gives equal thought to input from Roj, Sharp, Akther et al.

    I hope she gives way more than equal thought. These others have, after all, put actual money where their mouths are – and, in the case of Akther, provided serious expertise which has proved crucial for the club’s survival.

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    I’m guessing Mr Elliott doesn’t read bru because if he did he would be perfectly entitled to come on here and give his viewpoint but reading all posts from different members on here probably means he’d rather keep his head down. Sometimes there are just too many details to answer but if Michelle thinks his contribution on the board ( if any )has run it’s course she will deal with it in her usual efficient way.

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    It was in before Hilton that I was sceptical of Elliot Siderite, i questioned him joining Swanny on the board again when there was no sensible reason for doing so , he then found Ian not so Sharp and decided to hang off his coat tales and we all so the publicity stunt of both of them taking over the club. All at the same time as posters on here were licking his arse, glad at least some posters are seeing what I saw in him, hey no big deal I thought Turnbull was genuine, we all get it wrong at times.

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    OK I’ll bite.
    I’ve spoken to Simon Elliott at length, I’m not now and never was a fan but I’ll leave it there.
    Ian Sharp, spoken to him on many occasions, 100% genuine and put his money where his mouth is, I haven’t a bad word for him, he’s Scunthorpe United through and through and doesn’t deserve the bad mouthing from certain posters on here that have never met him and wouldn’t have the bottle to say it to his face, if they did he would just laugh at them.
    As for Lee Turnbull, yet again there’s those on here bad mouth him but wouldn’t have the bollocks to say it to his face, not that Lee would give a shit anyway.

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    I questioned him joining Swanny on the board again when there was no sensible reason for doing so…

    I also thought this month-or-so stint back on the board was strange, but perhaps it was a chance to get a look at the books.

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    OK I’ll bite.
    I’ve spoken to Simon Elliott at length, I’m not now and never was a fan but I’ll leave it there.
    Ian Sharp, spoken to him on many occasions, 100% genuine and put his money where his mouth is, I haven’t a bad word for him, he’s United through and through and doesn’t deserve the bad mouthing from certain posters on here that have never met him and wouldn’t have the bottle to say it to his face, if they did he would just laugh at them.
    As for Lee Turnbull, yet again there’s those on here bad mouth him but wouldn’t have the bollocks to say it to his face, not that Lee would give a shit anyway.

    Personally, I’ve never said anything at all about Sharp. In fact, I think he’s a bit of a legend – and his donation of 1899 to the fund Iron Bru set up was a masterstroke, much needed light relief. A highlight of that whole period of time.

    I may have missed something, of course, but I’ve also never seen anyone else on here badmouthing him. I imagine most people feel the same about him as I have described earlier in this reply.

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    Apollo – He’s responding to Awaywego.

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    Apollo – He’s responding to Awaywego.

    I know, yeah. I was just speaking generally about what he’d said.

    I can also see what Awaywego said about Sharp – but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me to be more of a badly put comment on Elliott taking advantage than an accusation of Sharp being thick.

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    I don’t agree with anything you’ve posted there awaywego, you won’t be surprised to hear!

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    Believe me I have the bollocks to say it to his face, I’ve had the debate with Turnbull on his motives for joining Swanny, he fed me bullshit “he’s there for the fans and not Swanny” he then threatened said fans with the police will come knocking on ya door, if we meet again we will have the conversation. But I think your right he wouldn’t give a shit he’s getting paid and im only a fan why would he.

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    Never read anything remotely bad about Mr Sharp on here or elsewhere for that matter.

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    Awaywego has taken exception to him before, especially regarding the issue with the loan given to pay wages.

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    Awaywego has taken exception to him before, especially regarding the issue with the loan given to pay wages.

    I suspect you mean he took issue with Sharp ‘asking Hilton for his money back’ (to put it the simplest way)..?

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