Musk and Trump

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Are Americans that thick really ? This is a classic example of what’s happening in Britain too, we’ve not gone all the way and fallen into the rabbit hole but GB etc news is trying it .The simple truth is ,if you have enough cash in the US you control the narrative.In Britain it’s still a mix of cash and influence but it’s still the same .

[Northumbiron]

Think it’s more about being lazy than thick.

Just let the media tell you how to think or what opinion to hold. As you say getting that way over here. Plenty of zombies who can’t hold a conversation until they’ve read the Daily Mail of a morning.

[Just Iron]

Pretty dismissive in my opinion guys. My daughter has voted Republican in the last 3 elections and she is certainly neither thick nor lazy. Maybe you are as much in ‘a bubble’ as those you decry. I listened to Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart before the election stating that there was no way Kamala could lose. Rory even pledged a £100,000 bet on the certainty. The following podcast was very interesting ..and entertaining for the likes of me as the ‘experts’ tried to come to terms with their misjudgement without denigrating over half the US electorate.

[Gurnelista]

Just Iron wrote:

My daughter has voted Republican in the last 3 elections and she is certainly neither thick nor lazy.

Course not, she’s your daughter!
Plenty of others will say exactly the same about their kids whether they voted Farage, Britain First, or raving loony! But it doesn’t mean for a moment that it was a rational political choice.

[Siderite]

Regardless of the truth behind it, surely saying voters who disagree with my position are thick is only going to alienate.

There are studies that suggest conspiracy theories appeal to those with a certain degree of intelligence. Could this not be similar with some Trump fans? I think they’re incorrect and often haven’t made informed decisions, but that doesn’t mean they’re all stupid. It may be that they have followed a certain thought pattern based off the sources surrounding them. I have no clue who JI’s daughter is or how clever she is, but surely it’s more charitable to think along the lines of she’s not necessarily thick, but misguided, without any kind of personal experience with her to make you think otherwise?

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Just Iron

[Just Iron]

Another generous and well constructed contribution from our resident political analyst. ( One of my motives for posting was that I was missing you, Gurney … and I knew that you’d turn up if I did.)

[Just Iron]

Plenty to thank you for there Sidey. However … the ‘taken as read’ perspective that she and the majority of US voters may simply be misguided has a whiff of the patronising about it if you don’t mind me saying.
Rory Stewart responded to Alistair Campbells speculation that they had been in a bubble and were too patronising to the voters. The response was priceless. He explained his misjudgement by saying that he is probably too ‘nice’ and too much of an optimist and that’s why he’d called it the way he had! My suggestion to Rory … and others .. would be to listen to others without the assumption that their perspective is totally worthless and to be dismissed without consideration

[Siderite]

What am I supposed to say? I disagree with those voting Trump and think they’re wrong, but I must pretend otherwise to avoid hurt feelings?

[Just Iron]

Wasn’t saying that, Sidey. I was responding to the prevailing attitude that a vote for the Republicans was in some way 100% pathological and the mystery was as to why so many took that path. What I was suggesting was that this says more about those with that approach than it does about where truth lies.

[Siderite]

I have said before that concerns over costs of living, immigration and worries over feeling safe in cities due to crime are reasons why people voted Trump. For Dems, this would have to be addressed, but it doesn’t mean I think their decision is correct. That is what I mean by misguided. I don’t think it’s patronising to think that a decision others made is wrong, but it may be if you start casting judgement on their character without evidence. Saying a decision is misguided doesn’t do that. I don’t know how this could be articulated any other way really, since any connotation that you disagree with others offends some.

I will also add that some people might think that those who voted Labour in the summer were misguided; that is their opinion. As is mine that voting Trump was. It’s nothing malicious, it’s trying to be charitable because, in life, people will disagree with you and think your choices are poor. I am saying that I disagree but think that some may have made a poor judgement without saying it’s because of laziness or stupidity, necessasarily. Though, some people may be, but it’s not for me to judge without evidence and nor is laziness or stupidity constrained to just one party.

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[Just Iron]

Agreed. Have a peaceful and enjoyable few days my friend.

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Siderite

[Siderite]

Aye. It’s Christmas time, so I don’t really want to get into too many debates haha. Have a good one to you and one and all on here.

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