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And in the case of Dean the clamour to get rid of him is unprecedented even for our fans. Definitely something in the air we breathe.
I believe there is just a lack of patience with some clamouring for Deans head, we have won games under him, the Wealdstone win was a really good all round performance but there has been a real lack of consistency overall. Loan players, changing players around and muddled tactics have unsettled some supporters but for me it’s about getting a balanced squad in place for next season and letting JD settle in to the role with a squad he believes in. I’ve always said we were down before he arrived even with Nelson in charge, we have been clinging to the wreckage of a broken club for five seasons and David Hilton or Jimmy Dean are not miracle workers. The comments about them I believe are a throwback to a basic distrust in the previous owner which LBH has festered amongst us all for a long time. Be patient people, it’s a long road back but we need stability,plus a complete restructuring of the club if we are to survive and we have to hang in there and let the new people in charge do their jobs. Having a couple of fake accounts continually spouting conspiracy theories and spouting shite on here doesn’t help but most sensible supporters will recognise what their agenda is anyway. Yes pass comments, give opinions, you are all entitled to do that but let your foot off the throats of the people now trying to push us forward and until actual facts surface about how the club has been purchased and being guided and is proven to show some wrong doing, then just keep supporting everybody involved in Scunthorpe United. UTI.
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I feel sorry for Jimmy Dean, it wasn’t his fault that he was appointed in a job where it appears that he is out of his depth; that’s on Hilton.
Dean’s record at the lower regional leagues is impressive however, he hasn’t done well at Scunthorpe, averaging just 0.79 points per match. Even when you look at his record in the NLN it is not that impressive, with an average of 1.29 points per match.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jimmy-dean/profil/trainer/107110
I honestly believe that if we had employed a more experienced manager, we would of likely gained enough points to avoid the drop, or at least dragged it out to the last match. Jimmy Dean’s points per match record at Scunthorpe (0.79) is actual worse than Neil Cox (0.86)!
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believe there is just a lack of patience with some clamouring for Deans head, we have won games under him, the Wealdstone win was a really good all round performance but there has been a real lack of consistency overall
When this season is all but done he would have had 17 games which is plenty of time to come up with a formation that suits the players at your disposal and to play some cohesive football.
Nelson took 3/4 games to achieve that. 17 games isn’t that far off half a season. We had one performance against Wealdstone but apart from that it’s been awful. I posted the form table since Dean is in charge and taking into account another loss against Oldham, we’re currently second from bottom.
“we have been clinging to the wreckage of a broken club for five seasons and David Hilton or Jimmy Dean are not miracle workers”
Expecting a manager to come in to assess his players to mould them into a formation that suits them and get them playing half decent football is not expecting miracles.
I keep saying this but it took Nelson 3/4 games to assess the players he had and he came up with a formation and a system which suited them and we played some good football. There is no excuse and iron-awe needs to stop with this apologist’s bullshit, it doesn’t wash.
Nobody has said he’s had it easy but he knew what he was walking into and so did we, what we did expect though was a manager with some know how and ability to form them into a cohesive unit at the very least and he hasn’t even managed that. On the whole the choice of going with Dean has backfired.
Harsh reality is you can be an apologist all you like and fight Dean and Hilton’s corner but we’ve gotten worse even since Dean came in to replace Nelson. Nelson had much less to work with than Dean so cut the crap.
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You are perfectly entitled to your opinion Wonderloaf but I believe your response entirely vindicates my previous post.
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Daz transfermarket have got it wrong, he was only in charge for 27 games not the 28 please do check. 1.34pts per game gives a more than impressive 61 points at the end of the season having come up from a lower division what’s not impressive about that? What is it with you and WG and the misinformation not as though I haven’t explained before on this?
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My post is in reply to Iron-awe, not to the toxic keyboard warriors or anonymous who are clearly just trouble to the club.
I intended to not post here again, but today I read your post, it just sums up the situation exactly, and perfectly.
It is exceptionally precise, and your reply(your second post) to the first person to jump on the bandwagon against your sensible post, is just typical of the doom mongers on here.
I am from ilkeston, and have been to your ground and some away games as well recently, sometimes accompanying Mr Hilton, so I know the score more than most, and definitely more than the negative trolls on here!
When the club was taken over Scunthorpe were in a very poor position in the league with relagation almost certain, the team had been very poor to have won so few games at that late stage of the season, and this was realised by most sensible people, had Mr Hilton done nothing the trolls would have jumped up and down screaming that if we stick with this team we are doomed…and they would be right.
Mr Hilton had a throw of the dice and tried to inject players who could possibly perform a miracle, and if not, at least he tried….nothing to lose really because you were going down anyway in my opinion, and most realistic fans of whom many I spoke to at 5 games I watched, they voiced that opinion, but they all were just pleased to still have a club.
Finally to me, it seems that whatever Mr Hilton decides to change, or not to change , half the resident trolls on here will be up in arms, until the next decision he makes then the other half of trolls will take their turn to be up in arms….. damned if you, damned if you don’t springs to mind!
I won’t reply to the trolls, so don’t bother lighting up your laptops.
And when Mr Hilton and Dean come good, and they will, you won’t here a peep from these Muppets, if I offended anyone on here, I want you to know I am not sorry… probably delighted.5 users thanked author for this post.
Well said Patrick, they need to be given a chance, the problem is everyone has Peter Swann still in their heads after 4 or 5 terrible seasons so they expect miracles overnight, everyone would have taken relegation months ago but unfortunately the takeover was a little too late, everyone is frustrated but I am sure it will change when we start afresh next season
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Thank mistertonmick
Your reply is welcome, and so good it is not the usual toxic crap on here.
Of course the takeover was too late, and 90% of the good Scunny fans knew that in their head, but hoped in their heart it wasn’t…. can not fault them for that.
I really enjoyed mixing with the fans I met at games.. top fans, top club, just needs a bit of time and you will rise again.1 user thanked author for this post.
Some of the negativity and conspiracies are tedious, but the dismissals of anything critical as trolling are too.
Hilton deserves credit for saving the club, but his own decisions are up for critique. Some of it will be irrational, but it’s a free country, so Hilton has to just accept that. If he is a good owner he will be able to prove the doubters wrong. Schemes like uprooting training to Ilkeston was bound to be divisive. Calling fans concerned about this trolls will not win any affection.
Nor will this attacking of fans for not being satisfactory enough for Hilton after saving the club. We had all this nonsense from Swann about fans needing to be more grateful or he could pull the plug. He asset stripped us and left us to die. Some of the same fans slamming anyone for criticising Hilton said the same under Swann, even when it became obvious he was playing us for fools.
This doesn’t mean I think Hilton is like Swann. On his Sunday statement I fall into group 2. He deserves a chance, some are going into a conspiratorial mindset, but framing any criticism as trolling and making out we should be thankful doesn’t lessen concerns. It increases them, as is coming on here to attack fans when you’re a Hilton associate. The critics will have a field day about thin skinned Hilton sending his buddy on to silence dissent. This is not my opinion, but what I can see as an interpretation. This doesn’t help gain trust and those fans supporting will grow tired of the ‘he saved your club’ argument after a while if there is no improvement and if Hilton’s plans don’t succeed.
Assuring us that Hilton and Dean will come good does nothing, there is no evidence being offered. It’s more promises, just like we had under Swann. Hilton may succeed, but it won’t be because of assurances based on implicit trust from associates.
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Of course there were no takers… success would frighten the life out of them… they need the failure to feed their toxic crap posts.
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O god Good Ole Patrick is back again, no doubt they’re either a club stooge plant or a wind up merchant.
How is expecting a new manager to come in to choose a formation to suit his players and to play some cohesive football toxic ?
All people have done is point out that since Dean has come in we’re currently 2nd from bottom in the league form table, playing awful football in an awful formation.
Is stating facts toxic now ?
What fans supposed to do, all lie to each other and be in utter denial ?.
Is that what counts as non toxic in your eyes, Patrick ?
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A lot of recent problems have been caused by Chapman and Beeston getting injured and Bunker going back to Forest Green
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No it isn’t good, which is why I hadn’t got involved with this thread until now, and why I personally keep off social media and only came on here recently.
Notts took us apart unfortunately, and it’s hard to take when you’ve watched us play league football for decades, and believe me we have been extremely poor in the past but I don’t recall any Iron team this bad.
I know people in Grimsby and with the genuine supporters there is a healthy local rivalry not the bile you get on here or Twitter.
I hope Mr Hilton succeeds, and Jimmy Dean comes good next season.1 user thanked author for this post.
We have had, imo, years of corruption and mismanagement from the very top. It is hard to be enthusiastically optimistic, even with new a new owner and manager. I have no problem with Ilkeston, indeed before Hilton arrived I hadn’t given them much thought. If our new Chairman can run The Iron as well as he did Ilkeston, I will be pleased. But I’m NOT interested in transferring ANY aspect of our club’s running seventy miles down the road, great training pitch or not.
That will be my last comment on the matter. As long as Mr Hilton doesn’t have any more of those ideas.
UTBI
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“Ilkeston is a hive of activity everyday of the week”
Clearly a successful operation, can you see why plans to close GP, except on match days, caused concern among fans?
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